Drew: True.
Drew: How the hell?
Drew: Uh oh.
Drew: That was the beep.
Drew: Oh, okay.
Drew: Are we good?
Drew: I I don't know.
Drew: I think we're good.
Drew: We're good.
Drew: I don't even know how computers work anymore.
Drew: I don't know.
Drew: I would.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: I vibe coded today.
Drew: Actually, I've I've been I've been vibe coding for like the past two days.
Paul: Okay, okay.
Paul: Uh what um what what who are which uh which of the uh the robots are you using?
Drew: I am using Copilot for GitHub.
Drew: GitHub Copilot.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Nice.
Drew: It's integrated directly into my VS Code interface, which is kind of nice.
Drew: Um without going into too much detail, because it's it's not an exciting project.
Drew: It's a little side project I'm doing for work.
Drew: I I'm pretty good at writing functional Python, meaning, and I don't mean that it
Drew: you know, it barely works in that it's functional.
Drew: It's just it's it's code that, you know, does data engineering things and stuff like that.
Drew: Now
Drew: There are frameworks out there for creating interfaces that run on top of your Python programs.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: And as near as I can tell
Drew: You write this code in Python and then it spins up a little web server in the background and it basically translates it all to JavaScript.
Drew: I I've tried node a couple times now.
Drew: I'm not good at it.
Drew: So Yeah, I I can yeah.
Paul: I mean JavaScript is uh weird.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: So yeah.
Drew: Sometimes sometimes it's JavaScript, sometimes it's TypeScript, and sometimes it's both.
Paul: TypeScript is for losers.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Oh, you heard it here, folks.
Drew: You're here to hear first, folks.
Drew: Um anyway.
Drew: I I basically I didn't have time to learn an entire Python web framework.
Drew: So I just I gave it a few prompts and it spit out an interface.
Drew: It it mostly rendered what I wanted, but I had to go back and making it more dynamic where choosing options would would yield different options to do things and then
Drew: integrating that with like a back-end database call.
Drew: It it definitely saved me some time.
Drew: I would say it probably got me it probably got me 80% of the way there.
Drew: I I I see the value in this stuff, but
Drew: If I wasn't under such a deadline to do this, I probably wouldn't have done it this way.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: But it's it it it works.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: And now and now I'm writing all the back-end code.
Drew: that this thing is going to eventually do.
Drew: And I'm just writing that in regular Python.
Drew: And I'm I'm struggling right now because one of the components of this is sending email.
Drew: And lo and behold, connecting to Exchange in Office 365, pretty easy.
Drew: Pretty easy.
Drew: There's there's lots of lots of lots of supported libraries.
Drew: Lots of ways to do that.
Drew: Uh different authentication methods that are fully supported and documented.
Drew: Basic SMTP servers are still a thing.
Drew: That works too, so I need to support that scenario.
Drew: The scenario I'm really struggling with is Google.
Drew: Oh, I can imagine that's gotta be.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: And the the sending of the email part is easy.
Drew: It's uh basically all of their examples assume that you're just gonna have a credentials file somewhere.
Drew: I I I don't think that's how it works in real life.
Drew: Maybe it does.
Drew: I don't know.
Drew: Maybe.
Drew: I and and the credentials file is really just a glorified JSON file that you can feed into like particular methods to construct credentials.
Drew: I uh I don't really understand why I can't create this thing manually.
Drew: I'm getting errors that I don't really understand.
Drew: I and then granted, I don't do a lot with Google Cloud.
Drew: The Gmail API is actually part of Google Cloud.
Drew: You can you can send email through regular Gmail, but I'm using the, I got like $300 in free credits to GCP, and I'm like,
Drew: Fuck it.
Drew: Let's let's try to learn something new.
Drew: Let's go crazy.
Drew: Yeah, let's go nuts.
Drew: You know, it's only money, right?
Drew: So yeah, that's that's the piece I'm struggling on now.
Drew: And and I'll have something up on GitHub probably by the weekend.
Drew: Um
Drew: It's it's an interesting problem to solve.
Drew: My work is having like a little hackathon.
Drew: And it's it's it's not a competition, but it's kind of a competition because there's prizes.
Drew: Oh and there's things that the product for the company that I work for doesn't do.
Drew: And I'm attempting to fill that gap by leveraging other parts of the product to do things.
Drew: So
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: So, you know, yeah.
Drew: I haven't really had a chance to go head heads down and build something like that for a while.
Drew: So it it feels pretty good.
Drew: Nice.
Drew: How are you?
Drew: What are you working on these days?
Drew: How's your app?
Paul: Uh it's going slow.
Paul: It's going slow, but I'm making progress.
Paul: I'm not gonna be done by the end of the year like I wanted, I don't think.
Paul: But it's because you know being an adult is exhausting.
Paul: Uh, you know, so yeah, what are you gonna do?
Drew: Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep
Drew: Okay, so uh I I've got I've got a lot of shit to talk about tonight.
Drew: Um I I want to start with a couple updates for you though.
Drew: So first and foremost, uh a pull-ups for pets update.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: So what I've been doing is I have been working in on putting pull-ups into my workouts when I'm at the gym.
Drew: Compared to where some other people are, because there is a leaderboard, there are some people that have over a thousand.
Drew: For the month.
Drew: That's that's that's a lot.
Drew: That's a lot of pull-ups.
Drew: Now I I don't think they're doing them all at the gym.
Drew: I'm assuming these people have
Drew: pull-up ways to do pull-ups in their home.
Drew: I don't have that.
Drew: I could have that.
Drew: I choose not to have that.
Drew: So I've mostly just been doing this in workouts.
Drew: But that said, I did cross the hundred pull-up mark this week.
Drew: For the month.
Drew: Nice.
Drew: Yep.
Drew: And I was and and honestly, there were some times when I was at the gym where I either got there later
Drew: And didn't have time to do them in the warm-up or after the gym.
Drew: Because usually I kind of have to run right out of there to get home and help Mandy with our little floor shark.
Drew: So I haven't had I haven't had a lot of time to hang out afterwards.
Drew: But um there's I think there's uh what one, two, what three
Drew: three days uh three working days left in the month where I can go and and get in there.
Drew: My goal is to try to get to a hundred and thirty by the end of the month, which is way lower than I thought.
Drew: But listen, strict pull-ups are hard and
Drew: Doing that in addition to the workout is tough, but it's for a good cause.
Drew: So everybody who emailed and said that I owed you like a million uh pull-ups, I'm really sorry.
Drew: But uh but we're we're doing what we can.
Drew: Dis just disappointment.
Paul: But pull-ups are hard.
Paul: Pull-ups are hard.
Paul: Bodyweight pull-ups are really hard.
Paul: There's no there's no shame.
Paul: There's no shame.
Paul: I mean, the only thing that I've
Paul: come close to like doing 200 of in a month is uh eating jelly beans.
Paul: So that's not bad.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: That's not bad.
Drew: So I I I will say this though.
Drew: Coupled with some weight loss that I've experienced, you know, I'm stringing together, you know, the first couple sets I can do five or six, you know, strict.
Drew: Uh not supinated, right?
Drew: They're not chin-ups, they're pull-ups.
Drew: So your your fingers are facing away from you, if that makes sense.
Drew: It does.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: And they're and they're strict.
Drew: Now, there's been quite a few workouts this week too that have required me to do the kipping style pull-ups, and those don't count, unfortunately.
Drew: So
Drew: Ah yeah, that makes sense.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: It has to be strict.
Drew: Yep.
Drew: Uh as a matter of fact the workout tomorrow I think has some
Drew: pull-up.
Drew: So I will I will be that that total will continue to rise.
Drew: So we'll give a final update when we get into October, which I can't believe it's going to be October next week.
Paul: Yeah, real soon.
Paul: Real soon.
Paul: Re real real soon.
Paul: Real soon.
Drew: Uh any updates from you?
Drew: Uh house tennis.
Paul: Over.
Paul: Yesterday was the last match.
Drew: Wow.
Drew: So it only went on for a couple months then.
Paul: Uh yeah, yeah, like sub yeah, August and September.
Paul: Because they they did training camp before school started, and then they started matches once school started.
Paul: But it's been like
Paul: You know, it did be like three to four matches a week plus a practice.
Paul: It was it was it was a lot.
Paul: It was a lot.
Paul: But it's over now.
Paul: And uh gonna get some time back.
Paul: So yay.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: If if you follow me on Blue Sky, that's that's usually what I because because when you go to tennis match, she's JV, she's at the bottom of the squad.
Paul: She's usually like
Paul: Most of the time she's like the last to play, or she may not even play.
Paul: It's all always up in the air.
Paul: So I always either take like my uh my e-reader or my airpods.
Paul: So I can listen to a podcast or read a book.
Paul: And I forgot both of them yesterday.
Paul: Both of them.
Paul: Both.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Ohness it's it's it's tough.
Paul: Oh boy, but uh uh just just real quick here.
Paul: Uh man, the lineup for uh Sonic Temple next year looks freaking amazing.
Paul: Okay, let's talk about it.
Paul: Yeah, I've already bought my tickets, so Oh, because you didn't go this past year.
Paul: I didn't I did not go last year.
Paul: I did not go last year.
Drew: And it and it and it doesn't sound like anything of value was lost.
Paul: I don't think so.
Paul: Were there bands there that I would have seen?
Paul: Yes.
Paul: Were there enough bands for me to justify spending the money?
Paul: No.
Paul: But this year.
Paul: Oh, this year.
Paul: It's good.
Paul: All right.
Drew: So I'm on I'm on the Sonic Temple website, which is advertising May 14th through the 17th, 2026.
Drew: I hate this website.
Drew: I do not like the way it's so bad.
Drew: I don't like the way the artists are represented here.
Drew: So okay.
Drew: So let's play let's play one of our patented little
Drew: guessing games that we do for each other here.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So I'm looking at the 2026 lineup.
Drew: I'm gonna I'm gonna go through here because it looks like a lot of people haven't been announced yet.
Paul: Yes, yeah.
Paul: If you actually go to the homepage, like just the right that don't go in the artists, there's actually a little graphic with all of the artists in there.
Paul: It's a little more uh
Paul: You don't have to scroll as much and look at us look at so many bands that haven't seen it.
Drew: Okay, I I'm already seeing some names that I know that you like.
Drew: Uh-huh.
Drew: There we go.
Drew: So let's uh let's kind of go through this here.
Drew: So
Drew: Starting from the top here, a Treyu, which I believe you have mentioned many times before.
Paul: No, they're mediocre at best.
Drew: Oh, okay, but I believe I b I believe that they're metal, right?
Drew: They are.
Paul: Uh no, they're more emo than metal, I would say.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Emo.
Drew: I don't know why that name jumped out at me though.
Paul: Emo.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Attila, I don't know who that is.
Paul: Nah, they're alright.
Paul: They're alright.
Paul: They're good they're yeah, they're they're uh they're like a decent Deathcore band, Deathcore is, Metalcore.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: And then uh here we go, uh just right into it, behemoth.
Paul: Behemoth, behemoth.
Paul: Yep, yep.
Paul: I'd already bought my tickets with but what
Paul: I had already bought my tickets for another b because another band got in it.
Drew: Oh, okay.
Paul: And then and then they added behemoth on and I was like, this is just gonna be fucking amazing.
Drew: So yeah.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Okay, so that's interesting, right?
Drew: Because when I'm looking at this list here
Drew: Uh and again, I recognize some of them, a lot of these I don't.
Drew: I would have thought Behemoth would have been the big draw for you.
Paul: Yeah, it's it's probably my number one now, but it might my the number two band that I'm excited to see is why I bought the ticket.
Paul: So
Drew: The number two band.
Drew: Interesting.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Brand of sacrifice.
Drew: I I have no frame of references.
Drew: They're right.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Again, I what what are they though?
Drew: I mean give me a uh metal core, yeah.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Cattle decapitation I feel like you've talked about.
Paul: Oh yeah.
Paul: I love me some cattle decap.
Paul: Good stuff.
Paul: Okay, now is that is is that the band you're excited about?
Drew: It is not.
Drew: Oh Jesus.
Drew: Okay, here we go.
Drew: So Chelsea Grin, I don't think that's probably anything.
Drew: They're good.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Wow, I'm bad at this.
Drew: I I've never heard of them.
Drew: Do you have any other albums?
Paul: Uh I do not.
Paul: I do not know.
Paul: But I should.
Paul: Are they newer or uh no, they've been around for a while.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Yeah, I think they have I'd have to open up Spotify.
Paul: I think they've been around since the early 2000s, he says with little confidence.
Paul: Let's see, Chelsea Green.
Paul: Uh let's go, let's make that a little bit bigger.
Paul: Let's go to albums.
Paul: Uh the first album was in 2014.
Paul: Nope, 2010, 2010.
Drew: So a little bit.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Uh okay, so this next one I don't know how to pronounce.
Paul: Koheed and Cambria.
Paul: They're oh I don't know that band.
Paul: That is uh I don't know.
Paul: They're an emo band.
Paul: Uh screw 'em.
Paul: Uh emo
Paul: I'm sorry if you like emo music, but it's bad.
Drew: So so Koheed and Cambria is the next one on the list.
Drew: And I I know them.
Drew: They were in rock.
Drew: Band, like they're they're a known thing.
Drew: I don't think they're your thing.
Paul: No, definitely not.
Paul: No.
Drew: Yeah, okay.
Paul: We're gonna skip right past that.
Paul: But apparently they're one of the headliners.
Paul: Oh
Paul: Oh my chemical romance is the only headliner they've announced.
Drew: Oh.
Paul: Which I'm also I also get too.
Paul: Yeah, I that's not you.
Paul: No, I I I was talking to my daughter.
Paul: I'm like, well, at least I know I get to go home early one night.
Paul: Uh so then we have Conquer Divide.
Drew: Okay, Cradle of Filth.
Paul: I'm I I I'm not a huge Cradle of Filth fan, but I will be there.
Paul: Out of I guess respect.
Paul: Uh
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So you're just gonna pay homage.
Drew: Mm-hmm.
Drew: Uh Dance Gavin Dance.
Paul: Another emo band.
Paul: Okay, yeah, I've never heard of them.
Drew: Mm-hmm.
Paul: Deathclock.
Paul: Oh, I'm so excited to see Deathclock live.
Paul: So excited.
Paul: Is that the one?
Paul: No, it's not.
Drew: Jesus Christ.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: No, it's not.
Paul: I've actually I actually just started re-watching uh Metalocalypse
Drew: Because that's them, right?
Drew: That's them, yeah.
Drew: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: That's that's who it's based on.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: I I tried watching that show.
Drew: It was so off-putting.
Drew: Like I I didn't I I did not understand anything.
Drew: And I and I and I I watched Aqua Teen Hunger Force.
Drew: So yeah.
Drew: Which like there was like a block on Cartoon Network where it was like Metal Ocalypse, Aqua Teen Hunger Force
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Like it was all in that same block.
Drew: And I I tried watching apocalypse a couple times.
Drew: I'm like, what the fuck is happening?
Drew: Oh
Drew: Okay.
Paul: Disembodied tyrant.
Paul: I I solid thumbs up for me.
Paul: Not not my favorite, but I'll I'm gonna go see them.
Paul: Yeah, yeah.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Dying Fetus.
Paul: Uh a good band.
Paul: They're a good band.
Paul: Uh death metal, so yeah.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Electric Cowboy.
Paul: I want to see them.
Paul: They are weird.
Paul: They're weird, but they're not my kind of weird.
Paul: But uh, you know, they're they're definitely metal adjacent, yeah.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Uh oh Hawthorne.
Paul: Hawthorne Heights, an emo band.
Drew: Lorna Shore.
Drew: There it is.
Drew: That's the one.
Drew: Okay, so tell me about Lorna Shore because you've never talked to me about that.
Paul: They're uh a deathcore band.
Paul: Uh
Paul: They actually I believe their old lead singer went to Chelsea, uh Chelsea Grin.
Paul: They got a new lead singer for like the last three albums.
Paul: He is Will Ramos.
Paul: For my money, he is the best extreme vocalist performing today.
Paul: Oh, he is fantastic.
Paul: Yeah, and they just released a new album, and I am very excited to see them.
Paul: They've been on the short list to see.
Drew: So let's do let's do the thing where Drew tries.
Paul: Oh, geez, Drew.
Paul: You're not you're you're not gonna
Drew: Okay, okay, give me give me an album, give me a track.
Drew: Oh you get you get one shot.
Drew: You get one shot with this one.
Drew: Oh jeez.
Drew: Oh
Paul: Man, what would I do?
Drew: I feel the Everblack festering within me.
Drew: That would be the new one.
Paul: That's the new album.
Paul: Why don't you just do that and just try Unbreakable?
Paul: Okay, so that's the fourth track on here.
Drew: Uh it's not the most played track according to Spotify.
Drew: It is not.
Drew: Oblivion is.
Drew: Okay, so Unbreakable.
Drew: Mm-hmm.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Kind of liking what I'm hearing so far.
Drew: I like this.
Drew: It's a little m it's not mellow, but it's not shouty.
Drew: Okay, it's getting louder.
Drew: Okay, we're building something.
Drew: Mm-hmm.
Drew: Okay, we've got some speed drums.
Drew: Mm-hmm.
Drew: It's very very talented.
Drew: Very fast.
Paul: Very fast.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Very epic.
Drew: Very epic sounding right now.
Paul: Can't remember when the vocals come in.
Paul: It's gotta be soon.
Drew: Yep.
Drew: I don't understand a word they're saying, but it's not terrible.
Drew: Yeah, he's very he's very good at what he does.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: That's not, I'll be honest, this isn't terrible.
Drew: Okay, okay.
Drew: Now, you know what?
Drew: Okay, I'm gonna stop it there.
Drew: I made it 54 seconds.
Drew: That's longer than most songs you've listened to, so yeah.
Drew: I am going to bookmark
Drew: This.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: That I I gotta be honest, of all the things that I'm listening to, that is not the worst.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: You have definitely had me listen to much worse than that.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: And and I don't know if it's the mix, but
Drew: I felt like I heard the drums more than I heard him.
Paul: Yes, uh that's one thing I noticed in this particular album is that the vocals are like lower in the mix, where usually they're up higher, but it it works.
Paul: It works
Paul: So yeah.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: All right.
Paul: So Lorda Shore is the one that got you.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Paul: Yep.
Paul: As soon as I saw Loner Shore, I was like, I'm buying tickets.
Paul: I'm done.
Paul: All right.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Uh
Drew: Gonna put a little pin in my next question.
Drew: We're gonna keep going here.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Okay, make them suffer.
Drew: They're good.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Metalcore band.
Drew: Good
Paul: Uh Necrogoblicon.
Paul: Necrogoblicon.
Paul: I am not, I wouldn't call myself a Necrogoblicon fan.
Paul: But for me, that show is a must see.
Paul: Why?
Paul: They're a band with a gimmick.
Paul: Oh, you do you do love Sumboire?
Paul: I do okay, yeah.
Paul: So
Paul: Much like, you know, uh bands like Iron Maiden who have like a mascot, uh they they have a mascot who is a goblin.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Yes.
Paul: For the past couple albums, he's actually upgraded from mascot to like backup singer.
Drew: So I'm I'm I'm very there there's a picture of him in a button-down shirt and tie and slacks.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Okay.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: So I must must see.
Paul: Must see.
Paul: Yep.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Paleface Swiss.
Paul: They're good.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Uh the plot in you.
Paul: The plot?
Paul: I don't actually don't know the plot in the U.
Paul: S.
Paul: Yeah, it's oh it's it's I I
Paul: I think it got announced.
Paul: I have a uh note document where I'm keeping track of all these things.
Paul: They had it listed under like the Metal Core announcement, but they're they're they're they're mediocre.
Paul: So meh, meh.
Paul: Senses fail.
Paul: Another Ebo band.
Paul: Sorry.
Paul: Sorry if you like Ebo bands.
Drew: Suffocation.
Paul: Suffocation, they're good.
Paul: Good.
Paul: Death metal band.
Paul: Yep.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: And then we came as Romans.
Paul: We came as I don't mind I am not familiar with we came as Romans, so
Paul: Uh oh yeah, they're another medical core band, but I have them marked as mediocre, so yeah.
Paul: Mediocre.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Wow.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Drew: Okay, so this looks like this is gonna be it's it's really kinda your kind of show here.
Paul: So far, so far, I mean there's gonna be a lot more bands, but Yeah.
Paul: They're adding another stage this year, so it should be good.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: So it you know what's funny?
Drew: So I I went to I went back to the lineup page, right?
Drew: And I'm looking at the pictures of the different bands and like some of them have their logos and some of them have like
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Pictures of the people and the ones that are emo are like, it's so painfully obvious.
Drew: Oh, here, okay, so there are a couple on here that are not on there.
Drew: Bloody wood.
Paul: Oh, Bloodywood, yeah.
Paul: Uh they're a Indian metal band.
Paul: They inter they they integr uh
Paul: integrate like traditional Indian uh instruments into the music.
Paul: It's it's interesting.
Paul: I would definitely I would definitely chuck that out.
Paul: So yeah.
Drew: Okay, so but Lorna Shore is the one that really got you.
Drew: Mm-hmm.
Drew: And then you'll and then behemoth is a heat bonus.
Paul: Yes.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: I'm very happy to get to see them again.
Paul: So yeah.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Drew: Well, okay, so that's exciting.
Drew: Yeah, it's good.
Drew: I'm very excited.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: All right.
Drew: Uh so good for you, buddy.
Drew: Um, I want to talk about a show I've been watching.
Paul: I have never even heard of this show until I saw this in here.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Okay, so it's gonna require a little bit of setup.
Drew: So we didn't record last week because of circumstances.
Drew: Um, but the week before that we recorded on a Saturday where Ohio State played Ohio University.
Drew: Ohio University is where your son goes.
Drew: Yes.
Drew: I asked you
Drew: On the call, if you were going to watch the game or had the game on, the game was streamed on the streaming service Peacock.
Drew: Yes
Drew: We paid for a month of Peacock.
Drew: Uh my wife, you know, I had it on upstairs while we recorded, and I went up and watched the game after we were done.
Drew: So I paid for this month of Peacock, and I'm like
Drew: Peacock has some good stuff on it.
Drew: Like I think that's where you can watch The Office Now, you can watch uh 30 Rock.
Drew: There's you know, there's some movies on there and some things.
Drew: So it's like I'm gonna try to get my money's worth.
Drew: I want to watch something.
Drew: And one of the shows that popped out for me is there is a series on there called Day of the Jackal.
Drew: So a a couple things before we sort of dive into this.
Drew: And and I won't bury the lead here.
Drew: It's worth a watch.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So what is this?
Drew: So we need to go all the way back to the early 70s where there was a book written called Day of the Jackal.
Drew: And it is a semi-historical book that talks about the failed assassination attempt on Charles de Gaulle, who was the premier of France.
Drew: Um uh was it the premier uh prime minister, sorry, prime minister of uh France, not the premier, prime minister of France.
Drew: So there was an assassination plot.
Drew: He was a real life person.
Drew: Um he was I I think that most people look back on him as problematic now because he basically
Drew: Uh long story short, this isn't I'm not gonna try to turn this into a history lesson, but like he almost made France a communist country at the height of the Cold War, and that would have like been pretty bad.
Drew: But
Drew: It's a whole thing.
Drew: And I'm I'm overgeneralizing there.
Drew: Don't come for me.
Drew: But anyway, Frederick Forsyth wrote a novel that basically picks up after that plot, and there is a group of people that hire an assassin known as the Jackal.
Drew: to uh to try to get him.
Drew: And the whole plot of the book is really good
Drew: Because one, it's it's basically split into three parts.
Drew: It talks about like how that plot formed to go after de Gaulle.
Drew: Uh and then when the assassin goes to kill him, um at the at the critical moment where he goes to get the kill.
Drew: He misses and and it's not really spoilers, but he misses because he bends down to pick up something off the ground at the last possible second, but like he did everything perfect and then just this thing.
Drew: goes wrong and he misses his shot and then there's a manhunt, the guy that's after him finds him, shoots him, and kills him.
Drew: And they one of the things about it is nobody knows who this person actually is who calls himself the jackal.
Drew: But uh it was a good book.
Drew: I read the book in college, and the reason I read the book in college is because of a movie that is loosely based.
Drew: on this uh on this novel.
Drew: So you may have seen this movie.
Drew: I don't know if you have
Drew: But there was a 1997 movie called The Jackal, and it starred Bruce Willis and Richard Gere.
Paul: I am I am aware of that movie.
Drew: I do not believe I've seen it.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: It is an exceptionally nineties movie.
Drew: It is not a good movie.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: It is an enjoyable movie.
Drew: Um, and the reason I say that is in nineteen ninety-seven
Drew: Cell phones were becoming more popular.
Drew: Right?
Drew: Like I like I had a cell phone, I think, in 1998 when I went to college.
Drew: Like I think I think I signed up for my own like after I got a job my freshman year of college
Drew: One of the first things I did was I I think I signed up uh for a cell phone plan just because it was cheaper than the like the long distance plan that like my my college was going to charge me.
Drew: And the the the thing that makes this movie not work is that cell phones are prevalent and cell phones could have prevented half the things that happen in the movie.
Paul: Yeah, yeah.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: But anyway, it's it's an okay movie.
Drew: It's worth a watch once.
Drew: It has a pretty good soundtrack.
Drew: Um
Drew: You know, it's it's and and it and it roughly follows the same kind of plot.
Drew: Um the w the the the the root of the plot is um
Drew: Bruce Willis plays the jackal.
Drew: He gets hired by this Russian mob boss whose brother is killed in a police operation, and he is going after the director of the FBI.
Drew: Um there there is a plot twist in there.
Drew: I won't give that part away.
Drew: There is a plot twist in there, but the only person who knows the jack who knows the jackal by sight, not who he is, but knows him by sight.
Drew: Is this Irish IRA sniper who we did a business dealing with him that went bad back in the day?
Drew: He's in prison in America, you know, and they won't extradite him back to Ireland.
Drew: It's a whole thing, but they basically take him out of prison and have him work for the FBI.
Drew: They follow the jackal.
Drew: He and and you're kind of watching and and the part about the movie that's really cool.
Drew: is you're sort of watching the tradecraft that Bruce Wallace's character does to get into America, he goes out and buys a very particular weapon for this, and that's a theme we're going to come back to here, is that
Drew: Just like in the book, you know, the the assassin in the book chooses his weapon very methodically and carefully for this.
Drew: And then in this movie, the weapon is also chosen.
Drew: uh very carefully methodically.
Drew: It's two complete opposite ends of the spectrum.
Drew: That's all I can tell you.
Drew: But that's part of it.
Drew: Like they're tracing that and they're trying to figure out like
Drew: how he's gonna how he's gonna get there, how's he gonna do it, and then of course they you know the good the good guys saved the day at the end.
Drew: But it's an okay movie
Drew: But that is not the only movie that was based on this book.
Drew: There was a another movie that was made in 1973, which I think if you're gonna watch a movie, you should watch.
Drew: So it's a 1973 movie called The Day of the Jackal.
Drew: It is based on the book.
Drew: Roughly.
Drew: Um, and again, it sort of follows the same plot.
Drew: There's a group of men that hire uh the jackal to go and kill the French prime minister.
Drew: And again, it is uh they they spend a little more time with character development in this, which is why it's so good.
Drew: It doesn't start anybody that you're gonna know.
Drew: Um you can get it on some streaming services today.
Drew: But again, kind of the same thing.
Drew: It's he is hired to do this.
Drew: He goes through all the steps.
Drew: It looks like he's gonna shoot DeGaulle.
Drew: DeGaulle ducks at the last second.
Drew: And then, you know, the the police bust in and shoot him at the last possible second.
Drew: So roughly follows the plot of the book, but I think that it's it's really good.
Drew: It was it was really well done, even though it's an old 70s movie.
Drew: It's really well done.
Drew: I've been looking for a copy of this movie, uh selfishly.
Drew: Like I've been in half-price books and I've been like looking on Amazon for copies.
Drew: Uh it's really hard to find a copy of this movie, and I don't know why.
Drew: Hmm.
Drew: Uh maybe because it was um originally a I think it was originally a UK movie, I think.
Drew: Uh that might have something to do with it, but
Drew: I have been able to find a copy of it.
Drew: But anyway, so now here's this thing on Peacock.
Drew: And it is not a movie, it is a miniseries.
Drew: And right from the jump, it gets you because you are immediately thrown into this scenario where the guy who plays the jackal is like midway through a plot to kill somebody.
Drew: And you like you have to like catch yourself up as he's going through the motions to kind of figure out like why he's doing the things he's doing.
Drew: And I know that sounds like work, but it's it's very, very well done.
Drew: So it's actually a British, it was actually a British series.
Drew: And it again, it doesn't have anybody in it.
Drew: Um
Drew: Maybe uh maybe you do know some of these people.
Paul: Um I looked at the cast and all I all I recognize is what's his face from Game of Thrones.
Drew: So Yes, exactly.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: What what is that?
Drew: Um
Drew: Eddie Redmane or whatever.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: I never watched Game of Thrones.
Drew: But he he plays he plays the man known as the Jackal in this.
Drew: And it is a series.
Drew: I think it's like ten or twelve episodes.
Drew: I just finished it the other night.
Drew: Um but again it follows sort of the same thing.
Drew: He is hired to kill basically Elon Musk.
Drew: Uh there's it's it's actually kind of chilling some of the parallels.
Drew: He's like he's hired he's hired to kill this um
Drew: like technologist that wants to like basically expose like where all this dark money comes from for things.
Drew: It's
Drew: That part of it I wasn't like super into because the the guy who plays him I just found kind of unbearable.
Drew: But everybody else in this does a really stellar performance.
Drew: And he's chased by Lashana Lynch, who is this MI6 operative.
Drew: who is basically trying to like they like M the British intelligence service is known as MI6.
Drew: They get brought in because the Jackal kills somebody that's kind of a big deal in Germany.
Drew: and the German government asked for help in tracking down this assassin.
Drew: She goes through this investigation.
Drew: Um, you know, and again, just like in the the book and the other two movies that were made about this
Drew: Part of this is he has purpose-built weapons that he uses for his assassinations.
Drew: And it's and and and again, right, I could go on and on about this, but there's a couple cool things here.
Drew: Number one
Drew: Because this is a series, they really have to stretch it out.
Drew: Right?
Drew: I mean this this story has been told in two other movies in a book.
Drew: You could you could do this in a movie.
Drew: But they really stretch this out and they introduce a couple subplots along the way that are really well done.
Drew: Like first and foremost, the guy that plays the jackal isn't just some loner killer.
Drew: He's actually a dad and he's married to this woman in Spain, and she has no idea what he does.
Drew: So that adds a really interesting aspect to the story.
Drew: the the the woman that Lashawna Lynch plays, uh, Bianca, she uh has like a complicated family
Drew: situation and she has like informants that she leverages and she royally fucks one of them over and it comes back to haunt her later on.
Drew: And that is all going on.
Drew: And then um the way that the jackal operates is something else because he he leverages people.
Drew: in a certain way to kind of get what he wants and he has to be able to lie to people and adapt his appearance and do this other stuff.
Drew: So uh
Drew: Uh it it's it's a really good series and and what I really like is they have a lot of callbacks to things that happened in the 1971 movie.
Drew: So there's this one particular montage where he's preparing for an assassination.
Drew: And it's almost a shot for shot remake of what they did in the 1971 movie.
Drew: Interesting.
Drew: Like like like down to the target that he paints and the type of ri the type of gun he uses.
Drew: Uh there's this one little subplot where he gets stuck in Hungary because uh the guy that he was helping build a gun, like it goes completely wrong and he almost gets arrested and he has to like get out of there.
Drew: Uh
Drew: Again, uh if if you like if you like kind of like mystery drama assassination procedural stuff, there's a fair amount of action in it.
Drew: I think it's a good story.
Drew: I think they did a good job with it.
Drew: I don't know.
Drew: I think it did get renewed for a second season, but I don't know what it what it's going to do.
Drew: Uh but it's it's it's quite good.
Drew: I I wasn't expecting to like it as much as I did because again, having seen the other two movies and knowing how
Drew: okay-ish the 1997 movie was.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Expectations weren't high, but when I saw it, I'm like, I'm gonna give it a shot.
Drew: And I'm glad I stuck with it.
Drew: The first couple episodes really, really grab you.
Drew: So cool.
Drew: Yep.
Drew: So go give that a watch if you have access to Peacock, which I don't think you do.
Paul: I that's one of the few that I don't subscribe to.
Paul: I have enough subscriptions.
Drew: Yeah, I mean we're not I mean full disclosure, we're not gonna we're not gonna renew our subscription when it's up.
Drew: Like I'm glad that I was able to watch that before my subscription lapsed, but I I I'm I didn't go out of my way to watch anything.
Drew: All right, so iOS twenty six dropped.
Paul: Uh-huh.
Paul: Sure did.
Paul: And yeah, I I I get it.
Paul: I I don't think it's gonna be for everybody.
Paul: Though I do think generally people like it more than they don't like it, but yeah I don't mind it.
Drew: I don't I don't mind it.
Drew: I kinda like the glass thing is still kind of growing on me a little bit.
Drew: Um but I do want to talk about one particular aspect that I did notice an immediate change.
Paul: Okay
Drew: CarPlay.
Paul: CarPlay.
Paul: What's different?
Paul: Oh, that I guess they added the widget support to car play.
Drew: They added widget support
Drew: Yeah, which I don't use.
Drew: I don't use, but that's a Well, I didn't either until I realized it was there.
Drew: And now that's my main display on my car and on my card.
Drew: Really?
Drew: Okay.
Drew: I like I like the analog clock.
Drew: I like having the other little tiles for Spotify.
Drew: I just think that aesthetically it looks better than the like the satellite overlay and the other things.
Drew: So
Drew: I have two vehicles that leverage CarPlay.
Drew: On my truck, the changes look amazing.
Drew: It has a big screen.
Drew: They basically shrunk everything down.
Drew: So there's like quote unquote more real estate for them to do stuff.
Drew: It looks really good in my truck.
Drew: Now my truck has a thing where when I'm in car play mode, you can't see
Drew: the Toyota interface at all.
Drew: Like you have to tap in the corner to basically have a little flyout come out to the side and then you can go back to like the car settings or
Drew: Anything else you want to change on it.
Paul: That's what my that's how my car works too, yeah.
Drew: My BMW does not work that way.
Drew: Now my BMW has a nice screen.
Drew: It's a really high-resolution screen.
Drew: It's very responsive, but it's very long and narrow.
Drew: And it doesn't look as good on that screen.
Drew: And I'm gonna I'm gonna send you a picture right now because there is one aspect of it that does not look good with my BMW.
Drew: So I wanna see I wanna see if you if it shows up in the picture that I send you.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So this is from my BMW
Drew: And you can make this show art if you want.
Drew: It's it does show my location, but don't be creepy.
Paul: It's not in my house.
Paul: I can always blur that out.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: So this looks very similar to need to charge your phone, Drew.
Paul: Uh
Paul: Okay, so what uh you're you're not happy about something.
Paul: Well, that's also because uh there is no 18 uh o'clock.
Paul: I'm sorry.
Drew: Uh don't no don't don't do this.
Drew: Don't do this.
Drew: You don't want to do this with me.
Paul: I don't everything looks fine to me.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: What's what what's what's your what's your issue?
Drew: So zoom in on the Spotify icon.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Zooming, zooming.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Do you see it yet?
Paul: It looks kind of textured.
Drew: Nope no?
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So what they did, what they did on the new CarPlay interface is that left hand bar is ensourced by the liquid glass, right?
Drew: There is a thin outline around it, right?
Drew: Okay.
Paul: Yeah, it's got the glass sheen on the icon.
Drew: Yeah.
Paul: Correct.
Drew: Well, no, it has the glass sheen on that entire sidebar.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Okay.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Look immediately to the left of that.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: There's a line there, right?
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: So that's the BMW interface, and you can't hide that.
Drew: Oh.
Drew: Before it wasn't it wasn't encircled in that glass.
Drew: Oh.
Drew: So now it doesn't look as good.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Yeah, I don't like that.
Drew: But on my truck it looks phenomenal.
Drew: It looks phenomenal in the truck.
Drew: I just wish I wish there was a way to turn off that line on the BMW side and to be fine.
Drew: Or if they gave you the option to do what I did in my truck, where it's like you can hide that left hand side.
Drew: So
Drew: But uh yeah, I really like the widgets in CarPlay.
Drew: I really do.
Paul: Yes, I'm actually thinking about turning them off.
Paul: Uh Yeah, because I I just won't I won't use them.
Paul: I don't I yeah.
Paul: For me, I either want to see
Paul: the the the map or what I'm listening to.
Paul: And that's that's it.
Drew: Can you not have both like on your Well I I I can.
Paul: I can I I sometimes I'll use that like default like dashboard thing that has like the map and the now playing and
Paul: and stuff on it, but I just I have no need for widgets on my car.
Paul: None.
Paul: And this is coming from someone who has like
Paul: widgets on their Mac desktop and like I've got widgets on my home screen and like a whole s like thing of widgets.
Paul: Like I like widgets.
Paul: I just I just don't
Paul: Don't need them on my car.
Paul: Let alone I can't and and like the fact that you said like it's your default view that baffles my mind.
Paul: I I would never want to look at them.
Drew: I I I don't know.
Drew: I like I like having that big analog clock on there because it because that clock looks better than any other clock in either of my cars.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: And then the widgets, the widgets that are available are really interesting if you really think about it, right?
Drew: So like with the with the apps that I have installed on my phone right now, when I go to CarPlay.
Drew: Uh where it where did it go?
Drew: Shit.
Drew: Settings general CarPlay.
Drew: Yeah, there it is.
Drew: So like for example
Drew: Um when I look at the widgets that are available and you can have sta you have three stacks, right?
Drew: So there's basically three widgets that show up there.
Drew: So
Drew: Like I have you can add widgets for and there are some that are very prominent.
Drew: So like weather podcasts TikTok
Drew: Which is which is bonkers, right?
Drew: Like I'm I'm watching TikTok while I drive, right?
Drew: Reddit, the Reddit app can be a widget.
Drew: Instagram stories, arc search, YouTube search, YouTube search, which is interesting.
Drew: Uh LinkedIn, because you know, I'm always looking to connect with uh like-minded professionals while I'm driving.
Drew: Photo album, Google Home.
Drew: uh Outlook and my calendar.
Drew: And then there's other ones for like Amazon, which apparently like the ones underneath there are not uh fully supported, but like my irrigation app is an option.
Drew: Right.
Drew: Uh yeah.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: I I mean I I think all it does is show me like when my irrigation's gonna run next.
Drew: Um
Drew: But like you can add you can add the front page, uh top posts from Redditors, uh, you can have a calendar, a cat calendar.
Drew: I don't know what that's about.
Drew: I don't know why it's not dogs.
Drew: Uh YouTube shirt, you could just search YouTube from your widgets.
Drew: Like that one I don't get at all.
Drew: My magic home, I can turn on lights in my house from the widget.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Uh flight aware, uh ADSB tracking, right?
Drew: Like how many planes am I tracking on my ADPS receiver at home?
Drew: Is but is that useful in your It's not, it's not!
Drew: No, it's not, it's terrible, it's dumb, but I love it.
Drew: I love that you can do that.
Drew: I know.
Drew: I okay, look.
Drew: I will I will tire of it.
Drew: I will tire of it, but let me enjoy it right now.
Drew: Okay, all right, all right.
Drew: But uh the the rest of the stuff is is fine.
Drew: I'm noticing my batteries my battery's draining a little bit faster.
Drew: I don't know why.
Drew: I think I Tim Apple wants me to buy a new phone, but he's not gonna get me.
Drew: But uh speaking of new phones, what do you think?
Drew: Oh, the orange is so fucking hot, Drew.
Paul: Is it oh it's so good.
Paul: It's so good.
Paul: Oh
Paul: Oh yeah, it's great.
Paul: It's great.
Drew: I read I I read a Angry Google Boy or I I shouldn't say I read.
Drew: I was watching an Angry because subtitles were on, I guess, so technically, but
Drew: Watched an angry Google fan talk about how Apple made a mistake using aluminum from titanium 'cause it's gonna scratch.
Paul: Yeah, I mean it's it's softer it's it's softer for sure.
Paul: Uh will that make you want to have a case?
Paul: Uh I've been going back and forth between not using a case and putting a case on, so like if I around the house.
Paul: I I take take the case off.
Paul: Though right now I have the case on and it's for a reason that's it's kind of embarrassing
Paul: Uh so I have I bought one of the tech woven cases.
Paul: Yes.
Paul: And I love the texture.
Paul: I like just
Paul: rubbing my thumb along the case because it feels good on my thumb.
Paul: Uh I like it.
Paul: But probably means like I'm like ADD and I'm stimming or something, but you know, whatever.
Paul: Yeah probably too much time.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Uh yeah, but it's f I will say so haha b speaking of tennis
Paul: A lot of times tennis usually starts around like four and four thirty.
Paul: It's out in the middle of a field with absolutely no shade, and it's been hot.
Paul: Okay, not this week, but the previous weeks.
Paul: It's been hot.
Paul: Almost always my iPhone would get to that thing where like, hey, I'm too hot.
Paul: I'm gonna turn this on.
Paul: Too hot.
Drew: Too hot for you, Paul.
Paul: I'm too hot.
Paul: And like the screen gets real dim and it's just awful.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Or heck, even something like doing qi charging in my car, right?
Paul: Where it's like, I'm too hot, I can't charge.
Paul: Both of those problems, at least for me so far, have gone away.
Paul: Huh.
Paul: It worked because it's aluminum or yes.
Paul: Between the vapor chamber and the aluminum body, which is all designed around dissipating dissipating heat.
Paul: It definitely has made a difference.
Paul: A hundred percent.
Paul: It's it's exactly like it says right on the tin.
Paul: Boom.
Paul: Like it's uh
Paul: Heck, even like during the transfer process, transferring from my old phone to my new phone, my old phone, I'm holding it and it's like, oh, this is warm in my hand.
Paul: And my new phone was like, oh, this is comfortable.
Paul: Uh and my old phone had a case and my new phone didn't.
Paul: So like it was that hot like through the case.
Paul: So yeah, the thermals are definitely and I know, yes.
Paul: I I've seen the stuff where like, yes, the sharp edge of the camera plateau can get chipped and scratched.
Paul: And yes, I do know that it's anodized aluminum.
Paul: If I get scratched, I'm gonna see silver through it.
Paul: Yes, I understand that.
Paul: But my phone is orange and I love it.
Paul: So suck it.
Paul: Huh.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Paul: It's so orange.
Paul: It's so good.
Paul: And everything else is just like the iPhone 16.
Paul: It's like, it's yeah, it's a little brighter.
Paul: It's a little faster.
Paul: The cameras are a little better, I guess, but it's orange.
Paul: But it's orange.
Paul: And it's not as hot.
Paul: It's orange and it's not as hot.
Paul: So they got me.
Paul: It's good.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: I'm happy with it.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Drew: So the Tech Woven case is good then.
Paul: I I wish it didn't have a lip on the bottom, you know me and my my my bottom lips.
Paul: But I it's a nice case.
Paul: I like it's you know it's kind of a like orangey brown color.
Paul: It's got a good feel, the buttons on the side are really nice, and I really like the texture.
Paul: of the the I guess the the fabric, the the tech woven fabric.
Paul: I like the texture.
Drew: Now you got you got I'm assuming you got the Siena.
Drew: I did, yeah.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: That makes sense.
Drew: Mm-hmm.
Drew: It does look nice.
Paul: Yeah, like it doesn't scratch.
Paul: You would think it would scratch, but it doesn't scratch.
Paul: Like, yeah, eventually
Paul: you know, filth humans gonna get in there probably.
Paul: But so far, so good.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Cool.
Paul: Now, you were the only person to purchase a phone for the house, right?
Paul: Uh yes.
Paul: My wife did not buy one, and my daughter got my old 16 Pro.
Paul: So Got it.
Paul: Okay
Drew: Yeah, I need uh we're we're gonna be we're gonna be in the greater Polaris area this weekend.
Drew: I may swing in the Apple store.
Drew: I do I do want to see the air in person.
Paul: I wanna hold the air.
Paul: I I just I want to experience that in my hand.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Uh last topic for tonight.
Drew: Paul, I needed a treat.
Paul: Oh, oh, I I understand.
Paul: Yep.
Drew: You know, uh work yeah, work's been a lot, and you know, raising a puppy can be stressful.
Drew: We love him to death, but he can be a little stressful sometimes.
Drew: Uh and then, you know, gestures at everything that's happening in the world.
Drew: Um I decided I decided that I deserved a new rifle.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: You know me.
Drew: I mean it's it's my particular brand of mental illness.
Drew: Um I told myself that I sorta had the equipment that I needed, but uh
Drew: I I have been wanting to get another caliber rifle for a while now.
Drew: So
Drew: A couple things.
Drew: Uh I the rifles I currently own I'm are very happy with.
Drew: Uh it's not like I'm replacing a rifle.
Drew: This is just an addition.
Drew: And
Drew: We've talked about this before, but the the first precision rifle I ever bought was made by a company called Socco.
Drew: They're a Finnish brand.
Drew: They make really really nice guns.
Drew: Um they have they actually have a couple different brands that they operate under.
Drew: They're all the the this company is owned by parent company Beretta.
Drew: Breta makes phenomenal shotguns, phenomenal handguns.
Drew: Uh they're an Italian company, and they're sort of the parent company of Socco, and Socco is still, you know, a Finnish company.
Drew: So I have the Sako TRG22.
Drew: It is a 308 caliber.
Drew: It's a 26-inch barrel.
Drew: Again, I bought this back in the early 2000s.
Drew: I've had it for a number of years now.
Drew: I probably have
Drew: close to a thousand some rounds through.
Drew: It was the first gun I ever competed with.
Drew: Uh it still shoots phenomenal.
Drew: You know, I've I've upgraded it with a better scope over the years.
Drew: I have
Drew: uh put a different um muzzle brake on it so I can use the suppressor now.
Drew: I bought extra magazines.
Drew: I bought the the biopod that is specifically made for this.
Drew: Um and it's a great gun.
Drew: You know, the only thing I would say, the only the only two things that I would say about it is number one, it is a rigid stock.
Drew: So it's like your traditional
Drew: One piece stock.
Drew: It's very ergonomic and it's it's very, very pleasurable to shoot.
Drew: Um and it's it's durable, right?
Drew: It's it's it's like made up of like a composite material.
Drew: The barrel is of course metal, but it's made up of a composite material.
Drew: Really nice trigger, oversized, easy to use with like mittens or gloves because you know Finland Cold.
Drew: You know, and other than wood, uh th Finland's second biggest export is dead Russians.
Drew: Uh so you know, uh yeah, Fin Finland knows their way around a gun.
Drew: Uh in fact Saka's really interesting because what they did is they took the Russian Mosin Nagant and said, uh this is a pretty good gun if you guys didn't make it out of like sawdust.
Drew: Let me let me show you how to make a real gun.
Drew: Yeah, okay.
Drew: So anyway, that's that's how Sacco started.
Drew: And there's there's like sub brands like they also make there's also a brand called Tika.
Drew: Tika is more of like their hunting rifles, I guess you could say.
Drew: Uh they do make some tactical and competition style rifles, but the TRG series is sort of like their Halo
Drew: product.
Drew: Um there is one product above this that's like a military style gun that is like ten thousand dollars.
Drew: Uh it's not worth it in my opinion.
Drew: So
Drew: Anyway, this was the original gun that I bought and it has served me well.
Drew: Now the again, the only thing that r really doesn't do well with it is it's 308 caliber.
Drew: We talked about these calibers on other podcasts before.
Drew: It's a really good round out to about 800 yards.
Drew: Beyond that, it gets a little squirrely.
Drew: You have to really know what you're doing.
Drew: You have to use good quality ammunition to stretch it to a thousand yards, but that's about where it's going to top out.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Now, again, I have bought heavier caliber rifles uh over the past couple years.
Drew: I bought that semi-automatic gun that I still haven't taken out to the super long range yet.
Drew: But my buddy that I shoot with is the opposite of me.
Drew: My buddy Grant is uh very, very consistent in what he buys.
Drew: Uh he's very, very loyal to one particular brand and he's very very loyal to one particular caliber.
Drew: So he likes to shoot the 6-5 Creedmore round.
Drew: The 6-5 Creedmore round is a slightly smaller round
Drew: than the 308 round, uh, because it's six point five millimeter, which is like two six something instead of three oh eight, so it's smaller.
Drew: But it's a very, very high performance round.
Drew: It has a very, very uh good ballistic coefficient.
Drew: It also maintains muzzle energy, and it's a much, much faster round out of the gun.
Drew: So it has a lot more energy coming out of the barrel.
Drew: It stays flatter longer.
Drew: So like shooting targets at a thousand yards or even beyond a thousand yards is something they could do very well.
Drew: And
Drew: You know, comparatively, unlike the heavier calibers that I shoot, the ammo is reasonable.
Drew: Whereas I would spend probably $50 or $60 per box for a good box of ammunition for my heavier rifles.
Drew: A good box of 308 or 65 pre-bar rifle ammo is like 40 to 45 dollars.
Drew: So I know it doesn't sound like a lot, but when you're shooting hundreds of rounds, it adds up pretty quick.
Paul: I can see that.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Yep.
Drew: So uh, you know, I I have been in the market for uh so again, right, like my buddy, before I even go there, so my buddy now has three rifles all in the same caliber.
Drew: Two of them are almost identical rifles, and he actually built his third rifle.
Drew: Like he sourced all the components, including the barrel.
Drew: He press fit it, like he built it, he he chose the stock that he wanted.
Drew: You know, he's been sort of dialing that in over the summer for our fall shenanigans that we're going to get into.
Drew: But again, he has stayed consistent to the round.
Drew: And part of his reasoning for that is, you know, look.
Drew: Having multiple calibers is cool and being able to shoot different things is fun, but really, you know, there's there's benefits to staying consistent in one particular round because he wants to go down the whole load your own ammunition route.
Drew: So being in just one caliber makes that a much easier equation because you have to buy caliber-specific stuff to do it.
Drew: And if you're going to reload multiple calibers, your costs just go up exponentially.
Drew: So
Drew: Th there there's a method to the madness, and I respect him for it.
Drew: Like that that's the way he does it, and I have the way that I do it.
Drew: But again, I've been wanting to get into that same caliber for a while because I feel like it would definitely like
Drew: Kinda just I don't know.
Drew: I I like I like a little variety.
Drew: So I decided to go with another Sako, and it is sort of the evolution of the same gun that I already have.
Drew: So they basically released a new version of this gun.
Drew: It is the Sako TRG22A1.
Drew: And it is a more modern development on the same platform.
Drew: So bolt, barrel, receiver are almost identical.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: The barrel sort of sits in this chassis, right?
Drew: It's still free-floated, it still kind of works the same way.
Drew: But now what you have is you have a more traditional pistol grip, you have a folding stock with adjustable length of
Drew: pool, in other words, how fast how far the butt pad comes in and out, the cheek pad is adjustable, um the the entire system is more ergonomic.
Drew: It has a more traditional
Drew: foreend so you can mount attachments to it easier because my old gun really only accepted Socco branded accessories but with this it has what is known as an MLOC foreend
Drew: So I can attach like different bipods to it, my range finder, you know, weights, uh, whatever else I want to put on it.
Drew: And the other nice thing about it too is this is essentially the same platform that I already have.
Drew: And the reason that's important is
Drew: you know, the magazines, like the things the bullet goes into, the magazines are proprietary to Socco.
Drew: But the the
Drew: The cartridges, the 308 cartridge and the 65 Creedmore, take the same magazine.
Drew: So now I have four total magazines that are interchangeable between these two guns.
Drew: Oh, okay and and like the magazines are a couple hundred bucks each.
Drew: So like yeah.
Drew: So again, right?
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: The other nice thing is when I when I originally bought my other gun, uh, it was shipped straight from Finland and it is it is entirely metric.
Drew: So everything in that gun from the
Drew: from like the screws and like the hex bolts that are in it all are metric.
Drew: The thread pitch, which is which is important when you're mounting suppressors, or is also metric.
Drew: It isn't a very, very goofy European s uh specification.
Drew: So like finding
Drew: Different muzzles at mu different muzzle adapters for like muzzle brakes and suppressors is kind of a pain.
Drew: With the TRG uh twenty two A1, they have standardized that to like what everybody else uses now, so it's a more standard size and fit.
Drew: fit so it'll be easier to mount my suppressor to it.
Drew: And again, I went with the uh the the green model because I like the green.
Drew: And I went with the with the 6-5 Creedmoor round.
Drew: So I'm in the process of sort of like kidding it out and dialing it in and everything.
Drew: But uh
Drew: I I I know I said this before, this is probably the the last bolt action rifle I buy for some time.
Drew: Right.
Paul: I don't believe you.
Paul: You're right.
Paul: But but now it's cute that you tell yourself that
Drew: I know, I know.
Drew: It's a it's a source case.
Paul: It's like me and gaming handhelds.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: So yeah, I I I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet.
Drew: Um I need to go buy a case to haul it around in.
Drew: Um
Drew: I did uh I did I I did uh quote unquote save myself a little money.
Drew: I took the optic off of the old Sako that I had and put it on this one for now.
Drew: Uh just because like budgeting for a whole nother optic is not something I'm ready to do right now because that's also uh quite costly.
Drew: Uh so you know I
Drew: Put the other one in its case for now.
Drew: It's it's gonna take a little break.
Drew: It served me well.
Drew: I will continue to shoot it.
Drew: It's not going away.
Drew: I'm not selling it.
Drew: I'm never not gonna shoot it because I have ammo for it.
Drew: So
Drew: Uh yeah, I'm I'm excited to get out there and experience this round.
Paul: Okay, so quick follow-up question here, real real quick.
Paul: I have not been to your house recently.
Paul: The last time I was there, I got to look at inside of your gun safe.
Paul: Yep.
Paul: Out of all your firearms and your gun seat was already brimming at the scene.
Paul: It's true.
Paul: Bursting.
Paul: Just like ready to burst.
Drew: Yep.
Paul: How how's what's the situation going on there?
Paul: Do you request me buying the bigger gun safe?
Drew: Well, so it's funny you mentioned that, right?
Drew: So um
Drew: There's there's a couple limiting factors with with my safe right now, right?
Drew: Uh and when I was buying my safe and looking at safes, the the people that I spoke to all told me the same thing.
Drew: Your safe capacity really isn't how wide your safe is, it's how deep your safe is.
Drew: And that's especially true with firearms with optics.
Drew: Because think about it, right?
Drew: If I were to just take this gun out of the box and put it in my safe, it's very tall, but it's very narrow.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: It doesn't take up a lot of space.
Drew: But when you put an optic on it
Drew: It's bigger.
Drew: Yeah, it's much, yeah.
Drew: You know, like the the way my gun safe is set up, like the entire right side of my safe is for the long guns, right?
Drew: Like bold action rifles, shotguns, things like that.
Drew: If I don't have scopes on things, I could go three deep.
Drew: When you throw a scope on there, especially a big scope, you're lucky to get two.
Drew: In my in my sense right now, right?
Drew: So previously my old Socco is a 26-inch barrel.
Drew: It's a fixed stock.
Drew: I it had to go in one particular spot in my safe.
Drew: And the reason for that is that it there's like a cutout on the right side of like the the like the organizer or divider or whatever you want to call it on the right side of the safe.
Drew: where the barrel like goes up through the shelf.
Drew: Right?
Drew: Because it it's it's a really, really tall gun.
Drew: There's no folding stock.
Drew: This has a folding stock first and foremost, so it's not nearly as tall.
Drew: So that gives me options about where I want to put it.
Drew: The other thing that I had is that
Drew: You know, the ra the the built-in laser rangefinder that I was using was also on that gun.
Drew: And the only place I could put that was on top of the scope.
Drew: So now it's even taller.
Drew: Right.
Drew: But now with this gun, I put the rangefinder on the side because I have different mounting options, and the scopes on top.
Drew: So everything fits in my gun safe with two exceptions.
Drew: Number one.
Drew: My old pump action shotgun is upstairs in our bedroom secure.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Right?
Drew: And the old Soko is currently in its case locked up.
Drew: Everything else is still in the safe.
Drew: But
Drew: There is no more room at the end.
Drew: Right.
Drew: Like it it's like there there can be nothing else that goes in the safe.
Drew: Now I have other ways of securing firearms in my house.
Drew: Like there's not just
Drew: Like you just come into my house and it's like, here, here, here, use this gun as a coaster.
Drew: No, like it's not like there's not like there's not just guns laying around my house, right?
Drew: Yeah, yeah.
Drew: So like the the guns are safe, they're secure, they're in a good place, but yes, you're you are correct.
Drew: Now with this, there is no there is no more space.
Drew: Okay
Drew: So yeah, I mean I'll I'll probably take some videos or some pictures and things once I get out there.
Drew: But and again, I've shot this round.
Drew: It's it's a very comfortable round to shoot compared to the 308.
Drew: It doesn't have quite as much recoil, but uh every gun's different
Drew: Right.
Drew: And and this is um not the heaviest gun in the world, but it's also not the lightest.
Drew: Um but it'll be really interesting to see uh how we do when I get when I get it out there.
Paul: Awesome.
Drew: Yep.
Drew: All right, buddy.
Drew: It's getting late.
Drew: I gotta go take care of the dog.
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Paul: And hey, thanks for listening.