Paul: Good evening, Drew.
Drew: Paul.
Drew: It
Drew: 's an end of an era
Drew: today, buddy.
Drew: What era
Drew: is that?
Drew: Destiny 2 is over.
Paul: I almost put that in the notes.
Paul: I almost put that in the notes because I saw that today.
Paul: Yeah, well it's not over.
Paul: It's just
Paul: it's dying.
Drew: It's i
Drew: i
Drew: I would argue that it's been dying for a while.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: This is just confirmation that Sony
Drew: and everybody is just over it.
Drew: So basically
Drew: there was an announcement today
Drew: that
Drew: It's no longer gonna get any content.
Drew: It's
Drew: done.
Drew: They're not gonna put any
Drew: any more creative effort into it.
Drew: And I would argue they haven't put
Drew: Creative effort into it for at least a couple years now.
Drew: Uh
Drew: they
Drew: said they are gonna keep the servers up and it's gonna be playable, but
Drew: Like,
Drew: why bother, right?
Drew: And
Drew: it's sad because I really
Drew: there was a period where I played a lot of Destiny 2.
Drew: I played it when it first came out.
Drew: Same, same.
Drew: I took a little break
Drew: and then I came back to it after Forsaken and I loved Forsaken.
Drew: Then I took another break and then I came back a little bit later
Drew: and I played a shitload of it.
Drew: Um
Drew: so this this
Drew: this sucks.
Drew: I I I really
Drew: underneath all the cruft and all the other live service bullshit they built into it was a really, really good shooting game.
Drew: And uh
Drew: have you tried marathon?
Drew: I have.
Drew: And
Drew: that ain't it.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Yeah, it's not for me.
Drew: I mean
Drew: the extraction
Drew: I mean the the PvP V E
Drew: part of it
Drew: The PvE stuff is fun.
Drew: Um
Drew: but uh no, I could I could not get into Marathon.
Drew: That
Drew: that
Drew: that wasn't it for me.
Drew: Um
Drew: but I I feel like this is a good segue
Drew: that um
Drew: Well yeah let's bump that up
Drew: Yeah
Drew: I um
Drew: I made a concerted effort to play a Diablo
Drew: 4
Paul: Okay.
Paul: I
Paul: s since uh for those of you uh
Paul: we have we have a doc
Paul: and the word playing is in quotes.
Paul: So
Paul: I'm not I'm
Paul: I'm not expecting this to go well.
Drew: Um
Drew: so
Drew: after our last recording session and hearing you talk about how the skill trees were all redone
Drew: and there's all this good stuff in the game happening, I was like, okay.
Drew: I'm gonna go buy
Drew: the least expensive edition of the expansion.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: And I'm gonna try Paladin.
Drew: Now, for those of you that haven't listened to me talk about Diablo 4 before
Drew: When I played it
Drew: shortly after it came out, I played Barbarian.
Drew: I did not understand, and I still do not understand how that class works.
Drew: It's
Drew: a little
Drew: complicated.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: The R
Drew: sol
Paul: system is weird.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: It was a very inefficient
Drew: soloing
Drew: experience.
Drew: I was not able to kill things fast enough.
Drew: Um
Drew: I was not able to kill things en masse easily.
Drew: So I did not have a good time.
Drew: And I
Drew: and actually I think my barbarian got up to level 46, and that's just where I stopped.
Drew: I'm like, this isn't fun anymore.
Drew: I was dying way too much.
Drew: I wasn't even playing on a super hard difficulty.
Drew: I was playing on just a hard, I think.
Drew: So
Drew: I bought the expansion
Drew: and my intention was to pick a paladin because I like the paladin class in the previous Diabos.
Drew: and
Drew: play
Drew: through the entire campaign.
Drew: So the original campaign.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: The first expansion that I completely skipped, which was I
Drew: Vessel of Hatred.
Drew: And then the new one.
Drew: Uh
Drew: apparently I misclicked because when I built my Paladin, it just threw me into the new campaign.
Paul: Oh
Paul: yeah, you have
Paul: that's the default.
Paul: You have to
Paul: yeah, yeah, yeah.
Paul: Um
Paul: it's kind of dumb, but
Drew: I played it on normal.
Drew: I I
Drew: I went online
Drew: and I found a build and I was like, I'm just gonna follow this guide.
Drew: I'm gonna play it.
Drew: I'm gonna build, I'm gonna set up my action bar.
Drew: And I'm not gonna worry about loot too much.
Drew: I'm just gonna follow the leveling guide and I'm gonna do whatever.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Um
Drew: my paladin and his hammers got through that
Drew: got through the expansion in about 12 hours.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: It's the the the the expansions are never they're never very long.
Paul: Like
Paul: No.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: They're just quick little story bites.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: And it was
Drew: It was good.
Drew: Like they gave me a nice recap of all the stuff that I never got to experience in the first one and then I guess what happened in the middle.
Drew: Um
Drew: And the reason that I have the word
Drew: playing in quotes is that unlike the barbarian, uh, get
Drew: faith, make
Drew: hammers
Drew: win
Drew: It almost became like vampire survivors at one point where I'm just walking around and stuff's dying.
Drew: Things are dying.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Which I think is like
Drew: The
Drew: Diablo
Drew: is what you're supposed to do, right?
Drew: Like isn't that the point?
Paul: I mean blasting is the point, right?
Paul: Like it's yeah, yeah.
Paul: It's
Paul: Going in there and just like, oh, there is a hundred enemies on the screen.
Paul: God damn, that's looking
Paul: at the title.
Paul: I'm sure blasting is the point.
Paul: Oh
Paul: Anywho, yeah.
Paul: My son also started playing Diablo 4.
Paul: So
Paul: So, okay.
Drew: Um, but now I'm at the point I I
Drew: finish
Drew: the expansion
Drew: and I know that I have to like
Drew: go back to previous content if I want to get a mount or if I want to unlock mercenaries and some of this other stuff.
Drew: So that's kind of like the phase I'm in right now.
Drew: Um
Drew: But what I don't fully understand, and I've done a little bit of wiki
Drew: reading and a little bit of research, is
Drew: what
Drew: is the thing that I do now?
Drew: Normal is clearly too easy.
Drew: I bumped it up to hard.
Drew: I still wasn't
Drew: Barely taking any damage and I bumped it up to just the next one which starts with a P.
Paul: Penn
Paul: pentate?
Paul: Pent
Paul: pentinate, yeah.
Paul: Yeah, pentinate, yeah.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: And I'm I'm now to the point where I have to use potions
Paul: Okay, okay, yeah, that that
Paul: that's that's good.
Paul: That's good.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Uh
Paul: so if you want to continue to keep playing, uh
Paul: so
Paul: The
Paul: there's one key activity that you need to keep in mind, and that is
Paul: that
Paul: okay, the pit.
Paul: The pit
Paul: All right.
Paul: What the pit
Paul: will do, the pit
Paul: basically starts as level one and goes up to like, I don't know, ridiculous level.
Paul: But
Paul: Those thresholds
Paul: that I can't remember exactly what the thresholds are because they change them all the time, they essentially map to difficulty levels
Paul: So
Paul: you can run the pit and figure out like, am I ready for torment?
Paul: Am I ready for torment?
Paul: Because
Paul: the
Paul: torment, the torment difficulties is when you start getting
Paul: like
Paul: endgame gear.
Paul: Right.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: You start getting mythics, m
Paul: or ancestrials
Paul: and possible mythic drops.
Paul: And the higher you go in torment, the more likely you are to get those those styles of drops.
Paul: So the pit is kind of your
Paul: am I ready to do this
Paul: thing.
Paul: And then I would recommend, I would recommend the
Paul: war
Paul: plans are good because as you keep playing, it will
Paul: introduce you to all the other endgame content, right?
Paul: So it
Paul: introduced you to uh uh
Paul: Helltides
Paul: , the Infernal Hordes, uh
Paul: Carassed
Paul: Undercity, uh
Paul: Nightmare Dungeons, and then you
Paul: also learn
Paul: like
Paul: When you get have you
Paul: have you hit Paragon
Paul: yet?
Paul: Yes.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Oh, I just dropped something.
Paul: My bad.
Paul: Cut that, cut that, cut that.
Paul: This is the show.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: As you will get glyphs for your paragon board, the only place you can upgrade those glyphs is in the pit.
Paul: That is it.
Drew: Okay, so that was gonna
Drew: I I I came prepared tonight with questions.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Because there is an insane amount of materials and activities.
Drew: And it's just like, what do I do?
Drew: And I thought War Plans was kind of it, because that's where I sort of like really started testing myself.
Drew: And a lot of that stuff I can run solo.
Drew: Nightmare Dungeons I really haven't done yet because I don't understand how to do them.
Paul: Nightmare Dungeons are just regular dungeons.
Paul: that are a little bit harder.
Paul: That's it.
Drew: But don't you need like a key or a trophy or something to go in?
Paul: So if you want to go to a specific dungeon, because
Paul: each of the the
Paul: you'll get keys and each of the keys have like certain things.
Paul: Like
Paul: this one will have more gems.
Paul: And we'll have these type of enemies.
Paul: But if you just do war plans, you don't have a key, it'll just send you to a random nightmare dungeon
Paul: Right.
Paul: Same thing with like you don't need a
Paul: you don't need an infernal compass to do hordes
Paul: if you're doing war
Paul: plans, it'll send you to the basic one.
Paul: Now if you want to go to like a higher difficulty or want certain rewards, then you wanna use your own and not let it automatically.
Paul: Uh
Paul: nightwear dungeons are really good for like crafting materials.
Paul: Okay, so
Paul: basically the loop is
Paul: run the pit to figure out what difficulty you
Paul: you can be at.
Paul: Uh
Paul: so each of your paragon boards, uh
Paul: outside of the first one.
Paul: Remember that you can
Paul: you can add if you didn't realize this, you can add up to five different paragon boards.
Paul: You start with one and you can add four more.
Paul: Where do you get them?
Paul: Uh
Paul: so
Paul: if
Paul: on the board if you get your
Paul: if basically if you you know you have a trail of things that you can get
Paul: if you get to the edge of one of them
Paul: it'll allow you to add another board onto there.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: On that space.
Paul: All right.
Paul: Each of those boards has two key things.
Paul: It has a legendary node that gives you like a really good power.
Paul: And it's got a in
Paul: every board has a slot for a glyph
Paul: And a glyph will do.
Paul: This is the thing where I say just find a build guide because Paragon
Paul: is so fucking complicated.
Paul: Find one that you vaguely like.
Paul: Whether you follow the loot
Paul: or any of that stuff, just follow the paragon 'cause it'll tell you what to do and in what order.
Paul: My build
Drew: my build page doesn't have anything for paragon.
Paul: So you what you might have to do is switch.
Paul: So you may be running a leveling build.
Paul: you have to find an end
Paul: game build.
Paul: I see.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: So the end game builds will have Paragon.
Paul: And then the the glyphs fit into a glyphs
Paul: glyphs socket and you as you level them up
Paul: they get more powerful
Paul: And the only place you can level up glyphs is the pit.
Paul: So there is an incentive to run the pit anyway
Paul: to get those glyphs.
Paul: And the
Paul: the higher level
Paul: The higher level of the pit, the more
Paul: reliable and frequent those glyph upgrades can be.
Drew: So
Drew: Quick quick question about that.
Drew: So I put a link to the leveling build that I'm or the
Drew: the build that I'm using for my paladin, right?
Drew: And I like that there's a little toggle on the skill tree that says leveling path.
Drew: And it basically says at this level pick this.
Drew: At level
Paul: so
Drew: we'll pick that
Drew: How come it goes up to 84?
Drew: I'm not getting skill points past 70.
Paul: Okay, so
Paul: there
Paul: will be
Paul: in the seasonal progression, if you're playing a seasonal character, there will be ways to unlock skill points as part of the seasonal progression
Paul: So you can get above your level and skill points by doing those things.
Paul: Yeah, so
Paul: this is a leveling build.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: So what you're gonna want to find is a paladin
Paul: Endgame build.
Drew: Okay, verified builds, custom builds, leveling builds.
Drew: Okay, so
Drew: verified builds, endgame
Drew: ,
Drew: uh
Drew: class
Drew: paladin.
Drew: Arbiter hammered in endgame build guide.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Mm-hmm.
Drew: Interesting.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So all right.
Drew: So
Drew: okay.
Drew: So I really want to follow this.
Paul: Yeah, yeah.
Paul: And like I said, if uh
Paul: Whether or not you follow
Paul: like
Paul: trying to get those exact
Paul: same pieces of gear, just being able to have someone who did the frickin' math for the fucking paragon board is is really helpful.
Paul: Uh
Drew: Okay, so
Drew: alright, sorry.
Drew: This is probably super boring for everybody else, but like when I click on that build, there is starter, unique, and mythic.
Drew: for the skill tree.
Paul: What's the difference?
Paul: So that's basically going to be
Paul: starter
Paul: is going to be gear that you can find
Paul: while you were leveling, right?
Paul: They're just going to be normal, like
Paul: level 800 gear.
Paul: Uh
Paul: the the second one is when you start getting ancestrals.
Paul: Those are level eight fifty, I think.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: So they're a little bit better.
Paul: Those can
Paul: though m
Paul: ancestrals have a chance to have a greater affix, which is one of those buffs on the gear that is higher than it normally can be.
Paul: Also, a lot of times in that mid-tier, they start pulling in uniques.
Paul: Uh
Paul: Uniques
Paul: are
Paul: the
Paul: there's there's two ways to get uniques.
Paul: One, bosses.
Paul: Bosses always have a chance to drop uniques, and there are certain bosses that drop certain uniques.
Paul: So if you're fine to find if you're trying to get a particular unique, find a recent
Paul: boss farming guide because they change shit around
Paul: a lot.
Paul: So make sure the boss uh has it
Paul: Also, if you've been noticing, you may have been picking up uh
Paul: like
Paul: boss trophies
Paul: in your
Paul: in your inventory.
Paul: It'd be like
Paul: the crafting component.
Paul: If you drop five of the
Paul: God, this
Paul: this I'm sure if people don't like Diablo, this is fucking insufferable.
Drew: Well, this is part of the reason I stay away, right?
Drew: Like there
Drew: 's a lot of depth here.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: So if you finish the Lord of Hatred, you've unlocked the Haradra
Paul: Cube.
Paul: Yep.
Paul: If you put five of those
Paul: five of the same boss
Paul: boss trophies
Paul: into the Herodra cube, it'll generate a unique that that boss could drop.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: So
Paul: that's that so that that's
Paul: that's
Paul: and that's
Paul: that tier.
Paul: And then the last tier is mythics.
Paul: Mythics are purple gear and they're the highest gear in the game.
Paul: They're
Paul: they're
Paul: rare.
Paul: In fact, I am pissed.
Paul: I have not seen it.
Paul: I've played this game a lot.
Paul: I have yet to see a fucking mythic drop.
Paul: Fuck you, Blizzard.
Paul: Where's my fucking mythic?
Paul: Uh
Paul: Yeah, so that's you know
Paul: the the ever never ending quest for better pants.
Paul: So like
Paul: run the pit to figure out what difficulty you should be on.
Paul: Now granted
Paul: I would say
Paul: Even though you could do torment
Paul: two, but if it's a little bit tough, just do Torment 1
Paul: to you get upgraded.
Paul: Speed is more important
Paul: than
Paul: uh
Paul: difficulty.
Paul: Uh
Paul: and then you just
Paul: as you get gear that you like, uh, you know, use the occultist
Paul: or in the combination of the occultist to in Herodra Cube
Paul: to m like
Paul: get your gear perfect.
Paul: Like there's a one
Paul: affix
Paul: on there like
Paul: Poison resistance.
Paul: I don't fucking need that.
Paul: You can go to the occultist and re-roll that one
Paul: affix
Paul: and get something else.
Paul: Add, you know, add your
Paul: gem
Paul: slots to it at the jeweler, temper it.
Paul: Which is basically adding one more affix
Paul: onto it.
Paul: If you're something, if it's a gear that you're really gonna like, then you want to masterwork it, which is also what the blacksmith
Paul: is basically just
Paul: increases the quality.
Paul: uh which makes it
Paul: means everything a little bit better.
Paul: Once you get to level 25, it basically uh
Paul: greatly enhances a random uh
Paul: affix
Paul: on that.
Paul: gear
Paul: and then the last thing
Paul: I think
Paul: hold on what is it
Paul: is it called Transmogrify
Paul: Diablo
Paul: for
Paul: Trns
Paul: or Transfigure
Paul: Yes.
Paul: So then the
Paul: the very last thing you do to a piece of gear is you go to the Haraja
Paul: Cube and you transfigure it.
Paul: It'll add one more
Paul: really powerful affix
Paul: to it.
Paul: But then the gear cannot be changed.
Paul: It's done.
Paul: It's cooked.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Right.
Paul: So that's
Paul: kind of the thing.
Paul: Uh, you know
Paul: The nice thing about war
Paul: plans
Paul: is not only are you doing end game activity, but after you finish all of that stuff, it also gives you a nice loot drop
Paul: uh
Paul: at the end, so it's a nice way to get gear
Paul: or
Paul: more likely and often not
Paul: gear that you don't need that you just turn into crafting materials.
Paul: Uh
Paul: but
Paul: Yeah, and then that's the game
Paul: until you decide that you're done, and then you stop playing.
Paul: And then you pick it up next season and do it all over again.
Paul: Or at least that's what I do.
Paul: All right.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Paul: Yep.
Drew: Huh.
Drew: Alright.
Drew: What do I spend all my massive amounts of gold on?
Paul: Nothing.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Nothing.
Paul: I mean, you can
Paul: you
Paul: like
Paul: If you do like re-rolls or things like that, that can cost lots of gold.
Paul: Crafting like
Paul: very high-end
Paul: gems costs lots of gold.
Paul: But
Paul: I have never
Paul: gold has never been the bottleneck.
Paul: It's always been other kind of crafting materials that's been the bottleneck.
Paul: So
Paul: Got it.
Paul: And like I don't sell anything.
Paul: I always
Paul: Excuse me.
Paul: Ooh.
Paul: Uh
Paul: you just
Paul: dissemble it.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: That's what I do too.
Paul: For materials.
Paul: Yeah, because gold is just like
Paul: everywhere.
Paul: Oh, and if you really do need gold, uh
Paul: have you done like the Infernal Hordes at all?
Paul: Yes.
Paul: One of the chests is like turn all your embers into gold and you just get
Paul: like a shit ton of gold for one run and you're like, I'm good for the next few weeks.
Drew: Thanks.
Drew: Um
Drew: Oh crap, what was I gonna ask you?
Drew: Um
Drew: I seem to remember that you could spend gold to like
Drew: get potion slots and stuff.
Drew: Is that not the thing that's
Paul: that's no longer there?
Paul: Yeah
Paul: Yeah, they change how potions work.
Paul: You get a base of four.
Paul: It always ha
Paul: has like a percentage
Paul: you're
Paul: like they used to have to upgrade your potions and and stuff like that.
Paul: That is gone.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: The only way to get more potion slots is to get
Paul: a
Paul: piece of gear that gives you more potion slots.
Paul: I have seen that.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: And then some gear will also give you like
Paul: 33
Paul: %
Paul: healing received, and that makes your healing potions
Paul: more powerful, but
Paul: yeah.
Paul: Got it.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: All right.
Drew: I mean, look, I know I put playing in pr
Drew: in
Drew: in quotes, but like
Drew: Paladin's fun.
Drew: Like I I like it and I like that I'm now trying to figure out like what to do.
Drew: And I'm just wondering, like, am I gonna have to group with people to make this efficient?
Drew: Can I play it solo?
Drew: The
Paul: only thing
Paul: like
Paul: there
Paul: is
Paul: there is some content, uh, the Dark Citadel
Paul: that requires you to be in a party.
Paul: Uh, the only
Paul: thing
Paul: the only
Paul: activity
Paul: where
Paul: the
Paul: Amount and quality of loot increases based on your party size
Paul: is killing bosses.
Paul: That's it.
Paul: Everything else is
Paul: It doesn't matter whether you're solo
Paul: or
Paul: or in a group, you're gonna get the same chances from
Drew: when you say killing bosses, you mean dungeons, right?
Paul: No, they're separate bosses layers.
Paul: So you're gonna be collect
Paul: you're gonna be collecting boss keys.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: So uh
Paul: if you go on the map, they're the
Paul: they're the thing that they're not dungeons, they're called layers.
Paul: And they'll have like
Paul: the little archway and they have like a little red tree thing in them.
Paul: And each boss, uh
Paul: but it yeah, there's like the the beast in the mountain, or heck, even like you can fight Lilith
Paul: again if you want
Paul: You go there, there's an itty
Paul: bitty little dungeon I
Paul: usually just run past everything.
Paul: Get to the boss.
Paul: Summon the boss.
Paul: Kill the boss.
Paul: Use a
Paul: Boss a layer
Paul: a boss layer key to open up the chest, get the loot, and you can just keep you can repeat that constantly
Paul: if you want to keep farming that boss over and over.
Drew: But you need a key every time, right?
Paul: Yes.
Paul: But keys are pretty plentiful.
Paul: Like
Paul: where do you find them?
Paul: They just drop
Paul: uh
Paul: yeah.
Paul: I don't think I've seen one yet.
Paul: You might, you might, y'all would
Paul: look.
Paul: You probably have some.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: All right.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Paul: Cool.
Paul: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep going with it.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: And like if you and if you
Paul: if you look at the seasonal progression, like it'll it'll gently nudge you to things.
Paul: One of the seasonal progression would be like, hey, make
Paul: kill any boss
Paul: and open their chest with the Boski
Paul: at this level difficulty.
Drew: The cap
Drew: the capstone activity, right?
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: And
Paul: what
Paul: not even
Paul: not even the capstone, but like the actual
Paul: like
Paul: Tasks.
Paul: The tasks.
Paul: It'll kind of just gently nudge you to
Paul: like, you should be fighting bosses now.
Paul: Like
Paul: right.
Paul: And and the pr
Paul: the
Paul: you primarily fight bosses to get uniques.
Paul: I mean, yeah
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Uh
Paul: Infernal Hordes for loot, nightmare dungeons for
Paul: uh
Paul: crafting materials, uh
Paul: Caressed
Paul: Under City when you have to.
Paul: Uh
Paul: and uh
Paul: Helltides
Paul: because they're fun and they give
Paul: we give loot.
Paul: And uh
Paul: the pit
Paul: to
Paul: figure out push difficulty and upgrade glyphs.
Paul: There you go.
Drew: Okay.
Paul: All right.
Paul: See this is why I come to you.
Paul: I would have never figured any of this out.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: And war plans are great.
Paul: Again, like if you're gonna do that end game activity, you might as well be doing a war plan
Paul: Because at the end you get a nice
Paul: nice drop of
Paul: eight.
Paul: So
Drew: yeah, and a lot of experience too.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Drew: Yeah.
Paul: So
Drew: I'm finding that's a really good way to level up my mercenaries.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: 100
Paul: %.
Paul: And if you ever feel like uh
Paul: rolling an alt
Paul: but you don't want to level it, the trick is
Paul: uh
Paul: you like the tree of whispers and you get those caches.
Paul: Do a bunch of tree of whispers, put the caches in your stash, go to your alt, open those stashes, and you'll be like level 60 and like
Paul: I wonder
Paul: I wonder if there was a way to like just start at level 70.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Like
Paul: whisper
Paul: caches
Paul: and you open those with your
Paul: all
Paul: yeah, you
Paul: sits
Paul: ridiculous
Paul: The the whisper
Paul: cache basically like scales to the person who earns it
Paul: but you can open it with another character
Paul: and you just go
Drew: Just go up.
Drew: But you still need to like beat the campaign to unlock the endgame stuff though, right?
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: So once you beat the campaign you can just skip it.
Paul: And you make a character, you can just say
Paul: s
Paul: go right to the endgame.
Drew: Oh, like you beat it on one character and then okay.
Drew: And you're unlocked for the account.
Drew: Yep.
Drew: But you're still at level one.
Drew: Yes.
Paul: So someone can carry you or you can do what you say.
Paul: I got it.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Very
Paul: and then and like uh
Paul: you have to do like when you hit level fifteen, I think it's where it is
Paul: you get your like
Paul: your class quest
Paul: that unlocks stuff, you have to do that once per
Paul: account.
Paul: To unlock it.
Paul: You'll still you'll still get it.
Paul: You'll still get the quest, but you don't have to do it.
Paul: You get the you automatically unlock the abilities.
Paul: So like
Paul: enchanting for
Paul: sorcerers, the book of the dead for
Paul: uh
Paul: necromancers, the weird soul shards for warlocks and what
Paul: I can't remember what the
Paul: oh it's the oaths for Paladin.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Got it.
Paul: Once you do that
Paul: that uh
Paul: class quest once, you don't have to do it again.
Paul: Got it.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Alright, cool.
Drew: That's enough.
Drew: That's enough Diablo talk then.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Uh I want to hear about your experience at Sonic Temple, which is why we couldn't record it last week.
Paul: Yeah, I kind of just
Paul: I'm I'm really bad
Paul: I I have this like
Paul: brain problem where like I know two
Paul: dates are coming but I don't realize they're the same date and I'm like
Paul: going
Paul: through my calendar
Paul: like oh should I never responded to this.
Paul: I suck
Paul: But yeah, I spent Thursday, last Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday
Paul: at Sonic Temple.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Uh
Paul: It was a good
Paul: it was a good time.
Paul: Just general thoughts.
Paul: Uh
Paul: they
Paul: have
Paul: that that company has no idea how to handle parking.
Paul: in the amount of traffic that comes through.
Paul: So
Paul: they j they just they just don't.
Paul: They don't.
Paul: So
Paul: they don't.
Drew: I
Drew: my TikTok feed, which I get a lot of local Columbus content for some reason, it's mostly just cars crashing into buildings.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: I get
Drew: yeah, I see this.
Drew: A lot of people were bitching about the traffic.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Uh
Paul: The only day that I really
Paul: so this this is what happened.
Paul: Thursday, I was excited.
Paul: There was a band at 12 that I wanted to see.
Paul: So I got, you know, I got to the par
Paul: that they were gonna open up the
Paul: They were opening up an hour early, so like they were
Paul: open up at ten.
Paul: Uh
Paul: the first concert was at twelve.
Paul: I figure, you know what, I'll just get there early.
Paul: I'll go and attend, I'll go around to all the vendors and stuff, I'll get my locker.
Paul: And that's what I did and stuff.
Paul: So
Paul: Monday or Thursday I didn't have any problem.
Paul: Friday, on the other hand, with parking, there was another event.
Paul: happening downtown
Paul: on Friday.
Paul: That was Columbus State's graduation.
Paul: Oh.
Paul: It was
Paul: fucked, Drew.
Paul: This is the day.
Paul: I'll give you the sh
Paul: I'll give you the short
Paul: the short of it.
Paul: Uh
Paul: the the the people at Sonic Temple were very clear in saying if you want to get to parking, you have to get off in 17th and go west
Paul: towards the the stadium.
Paul: Well, that was absolutely fucked, and I could not get over on the seventeen.
Paul: So I thought, you know what
Paul: Columbus is a series of squares.
Paul: I'll go up to Hudson
Paul: and try to get in there.
Paul: Yep.
Paul: Well
Paul: with the graduation and everything, they had literally closed everything down.
Paul: Oh
Paul: no.
Paul: And after about three and a half hours, I gave up.
Paul: You just
Paul: went home.
Paul: I went, I drove, I got back on the freeway, I went south, I had some lunch.
Drew: Oh, okay.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: I'm like, screw it.
Paul: I'm not
Paul: I
Paul: the
Paul: the bands that I missed weren't like must-see bands anyway.
Paul: I would have liked to seen them, but I was like, you know what?
Paul: I just fuck it.
Paul: I'm tired of being in my car.
Paul: I have to pee.
Paul: I am hungry
Paul: So I went and I got some lunch and I just had a nice leisurely lunch.
Paul: And then by the time lunch was over, I was
Paul: I was on the subreddit
Paul: and they're like, yeah, like
Paul: Columbus Strait
Paul: graduation is over.
Paul: Things are getting better.
Paul: I got back in the car.
Paul: It was still a little bit of traffic.
Paul: Uh
Paul: But
Paul: I eventually got there.
Paul: I got to see all the bands I wanted.
Paul: And on Saturday and Sunday, I just left early
Paul: And I sat in the car for like an hour and played my ROG Xbox L
Paul: I X.
Paul: So play a little Halls of Torment
Paul: in my car, uh, listening to music playing Halls of Tor
Paul: Halls of Torment, and then I just got in like, oh
Paul: It's 1215, it's op
Paul: or it's eleven fifteen, it's open now.
Paul: I guess I'll go in.
Paul: And I didn't have to wait in line.
Paul: I just walked right in, got there.
Paul: So that's what I did.
Paul: I just kind of adjusted my schedule
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Uh
Paul: it was a really
Paul: it
Paul: dude but
Paul: the prices were fucking insane.
Paul: Uh
Paul: just
Paul: absolutely
Paul: everything was so expensive.
Paul: Like
Paul: beers were like twenty
Paul: bucks.
Paul: Like for a tall can, but like still
Paul: A can
Paul: a regular old can of soda was five
Paul: dollars.
Paul: Water was like seven, eight bucks.
Paul: It was just absolutely ridiculous.
Paul: But I'll I'll draw uh
Paul: in the instance of time, I will I will keep this brief.
Paul: I will give you
Paul: No, don't be brief.
Paul: I'll give you
Paul: I'll give you three bands each day that I really enjoyed.
Paul: How about that?
Paul: Okay
Paul: On Thursday, the very first band I saw was Necrogoblicon.
Paul: They are a band who
Paul: one of the singers dresses like a goblin.
Paul: And that's their whole shtick.
Paul: That's their whole shtick.
Paul: Uh
Paul: they
Paul: were really fun.
Paul: It was really good.
Paul: Uh
Paul: I would say the
Paul: uh
Paul: the other
Paul: the next highlight for me was cattle decapitation.
Paul: I got to see them again.
Paul: Then
Paul: they only
Paul: had a short set.
Paul: Still a really, really good show.
Paul: And then the highlight of Thursday was Behemoth.
Paul: Ah yes.
Paul: Uh
Paul: I
Paul: m I'm
Paul: I went with my friend Jerry.
Paul: Uh
Paul: we were like maybe three or four people back from the rail for Behemoth.
Paul: That was just an absolutely amazing, amazing experience.
Paul: Did you wear your battle jacket?
Paul: I did not.
Paul: It was too fucking hot for that shit.
Paul: No, no, no.
Paul: No.
Paul: Well actually
Paul: on Thursday and Friday wasn't so bad.
Paul: I was in jeans those days, but I I didn't, yeah, I
Paul: didn't want any extra
Paul: extra weight.
Paul: Uh
Paul: I would say Behemoth was my favorite
Paul: performance of
Paul: the whole thing.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Not the best, but my favorite.
Paul: Uh oh.
Paul: Explain the difference
Paul: there.
Paul: Uh
Paul: The band that was my favorite just absolute
Paul: or the band that was the best, just
Paul: they just killed it, just
Paul: crushed it.
Paul: But for me being that close, Behemoth
Paul: being like one of my favorite bands and being that close, I just enjoyed that so much more.
Paul: It was just
Paul: Like it was for me, it was like
Paul: great.
Paul: And then what
Drew: what songs did they play or
Drew: were you happy with the set or
Paul: Yeah, it was good.
Paul: Yeah, it was a good set.
Paul: It was absolutely a good set.
Paul: Yeah, yeah, 100%.
Paul: Uh
Paul: On
Paul: Friday, uh I'm gonna
Paul: I'm gonna
Paul: my my three, Static
Paul: X, uh
Paul: got to see them and and the the dude wearing uh
Paul: D
Paul: are you aware what Static X does now that Wayne Static is dead?
Paul: Okay.
Paul: No.
Paul: They got a new singer.
Paul: And
Drew: I need to open this up.
Paul: So Static X.
Paul: He
Paul: so Static X
Paul: was a new metal band
Paul: in
Paul: the 90s two thousand had Wayne Static, the guy with like the the black hair that stood straight up.
Drew: Yeah, I see him.
Drew: He's got a mask on.
Paul: Yeah, so when
Paul: after Wayne Static died, Static
Paul: X
Paul: continued.
Paul: They got a new singer, and that person
Paul: literally wears
Paul: a
Paul: half
Paul: Wayne
Paul: static, half
Paul: robot costume.
Paul: And that's how
Paul: that's how he goes.
Drew: That's what I'm looking at.
Paul: Yeah, so he's a tribute to to Wayne
Paul: Static.
Paul: He doesn't try to be Wayne Static.
Paul: He's like, yeah, like
Paul: Just it's just it's an absolute just tribute to
Paul: to that particular artist and singer.
Drew: Yeah, he's got like a robot mask, it almost like wires of Stanic
Paul: hair.
Paul: Instead of hair, 'cause Wayne Static had that hair.
Paul: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Paul: But he would do it, he would grow his hair and then he would take black spray paint.
Paul: to keep it standing up.
Paul: That's that's how Wayne Static did it.
Paul: Uh
Paul: but they were really good.
Paul: I I haven't never
Paul: I haven't got to see
Paul: them with this particular singer, so that was good.
Paul: Uh
Paul: I didn't know
Drew: when Static died.
Drew: When did Static
Paul: A while ago, yeah.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Seven
Paul: Dust
Paul: I finally got to see Seven
Paul: Dust.
Paul: Uh-huh.
Paul: They are so good, Drew.
Paul: So
Paul: good.
Paul: Like
Paul: the good crowd presence that get the crowd going, lots of
Paul: lots of crowd surfers.
Paul: Like
Paul: it was just an excellent show.
Paul: Uh
Paul: Seven
Paul: Dust.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Seven Dust gets radio play, so you you probably have heard some of their songs before.
Paul: But the highlight, the best
Paul: performance of the show
Paul: was Lorna Shore
Paul: on Friday night.
Drew: That's the one you were really raving about when you first said you were gonna go.
Paul: Yes, yeah.
Paul: So
Paul: it was good?
Paul: Will Ramos, the lead singer for my money, is the best extreme vocalist out there, period.
Paul: I do not know how that man makes the noises that comes out of his face.
Paul: It is it is absolutely
Paul: bonkers.
Paul: But they they had about an hour long
Paul: set.
Paul: They they crushed it.
Paul: It just
Paul: just
Paul: banger after banger.
Paul: They had good like
Paul: Um
Paul: like the
Paul: they had a video playing behind them.
Paul: It was really good.
Paul: Like it was just absolutely
Drew: they're coming to Mansfield, Ohio in July.
Paul: Yeah,
Paul: to incarceration, yeah, I think.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Saturday was my day that I was short because I spent so
Paul: long time in the car.
Paul: Honestly, Saturday was probably the worst day.
Paul: I'm just gonna skip right.
Paul: I'm just gonna pull one artist for this
Paul: Marilyn Manson.
Paul: Ha.
Paul: So
Paul: apparently.
Paul: No,
Paul: granted, Marilyn Manson is still a piece of shit.
Paul: Let's just all put that aside.
Paul: He's a piece of shit.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Abusive, not good, whatever.
Paul: Whatever you want to think.
Paul: He's probably a piece of shit.
Paul: I don't know him personally.
Paul: I don't know him personally, but he's probably a piece of shit.
Paul: But
Paul: he's gotten clean.
Paul: And
Paul: let me tell you, a clean Marilyn
Paul: Manson knows how to fuck
Paul: put on a fucking show.
Paul: Okay, do
Paul: so.
Paul: At at
Paul: his heart, he is a performer.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: He was
Paul: he knew exactly
Paul: like
Paul: he's got some new albums.
Paul: He played played like one song from his new stuff, and then it was just banger after banger
Paul: hit
Paul: single after single
Paul: The musicianship was really good.
Paul: He had a really good stage presence.
Paul: His voice sounded great.
Paul: It he was
Paul: he did a really, really good job.
Paul: I really enjoyed that show.
Paul: Now the downside of Saturday is during that time I hurt my back.
Paul: Oh
Paul: no.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Were you in a pit
Paul: I was
Paul: watched Pit a Jason a few times.
Paul: Uh
Paul: I do not know how I hurt my back, but actually the only thing that made it really feel good on Saturday
Paul: was uh
Paul: Saturday at Maryland Manson
Paul: was a very active pit, lots of crowd surfers, and it turned out that motion
Paul: of
Paul: helping people
Paul: off of the ground to crowd surf really helped my back.
Paul: So
Paul: when I
Paul: yeah so when I left Saturday I was cautiously optimistic my back was feeling good.
Paul: But
Paul: Sunday came along
Paul: and it was
Paul: really, really hurting.
Paul: So much that I actually left early
Paul: I did not stay for Tool, which I've heard that I did not miss much.
Paul: Apparently
Paul: Maynard wasn't feeling it and he didn't play like any hard songs.
Paul: It was all melodic stuff.
Paul: So apparently I did not miss much.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: But I did leave.
Paul: Uh
Paul: but
Paul: I will pull the thr the three
Paul: the three best bands that I saw.
Paul: First thing I saw on Sunday was Castle Rat
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Castle Red.
Paul: Castle.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: So this is
Paul: Castle Rat is not my style of metal.
Paul: It is very like
Paul: power metal, very melodic.
Paul: But what Castle Rat
Paul: is, is imagine
Paul: your
Paul: most
Paul: dysfunctional DD
Paul: party
Paul: becomes a metal band.
Paul: Okay?
Paul: Okay.
Paul: They're all dressed up in fantasy characters.
Paul: They have a little story that they tell while they perform.
Paul: There's battles with swords.
Paul: Uh
Paul: and it doesn't
Paul: hurt that the lead singer isn't that is you know not hard to
Paul: do.
Paul: Uh-huh.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Paul: So
Paul: that that was Castle Rat.
Paul: It was a short set, but it was
Paul: people
Drew: with plague
Drew: masks.
Drew: Yeah.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Actually I'm gonna pull four in for Sunday.
Paul: Uh
Paul: I got to see Avatar again.
Paul: Always good.
Paul: Always
Paul: always a good show.
Paul: They were on the the main stage.
Paul: In fact, that was
Paul: Avatar
Paul: was the only
Paul: artist that I saw on the main
Paul: no, no, one of two.
Paul: One of two on the main stage.
Paul: the big stage inside the actual soccer stadium.
Paul: I finally got to see Amana
Paul: Marth.
Paul: Uh
Paul: they
Paul: s
Paul: they
Paul: sing
Paul: Viking
Paul: all their songs are about Vikings.
Paul: I got to join the row
Paul: pit, which is basically you sit on your ass and pretend like you're rowing.
Paul: Uh
Paul: that was fun.
Paul: Uh
Paul: and
Paul: and then the the the last big band that I saw Saturday
Paul: Sunday was Lamb of God.
Paul: I got to see them again.
Paul: And
Paul: they
Paul: just
Paul: f
Paul: they
Paul: 're always they're always good.
Paul: Always good.
Paul: Just consistently
Paul: good.
Paul: And
Paul: uh
Paul: yeah, that was
Paul: And then my back hurt and then I went home.
Paul: So
Drew: how
Drew: is your back feeling now?
Paul: It's not a hundred percent, but it's much, much better.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Yeah, and actually what had happened was I was I w
Paul: my back was kind of okay on Sunday, but then a pit opened up at Lamb of God.
Paul: like
Paul: right in front of me.
Paul: Someone got pushed and everything kind of came back and I went like this with my hands and it all the weight hit my left hand or like it was my left side of my back that was hurting.
Paul: And I and that happened.
Paul: I'm like
Paul: Oh
Paul: no.
Paul: Oh
Paul: no.
Paul: This is bad.
Paul: This is real bad.
Paul: Uh
Paul: and then I could I we
Paul: I sat and ate for a bit and tried to watch
Paul: the mother
Paul: band and I was like, I just I just can't do it.
Paul: So I left.
Paul: But
Paul: man, getting old sucks.
Paul: Walking back to the car sucks.
Paul: But
Paul: yeah, it was
Paul: it was a good time, so lots of great bands.
Paul: Uh
Paul: again, it was just way too fucking expensive.
Paul: The weather held out, only got rained on just a very little bit on s on
Paul: uh
Paul: Saturday.
Paul: Uh
Paul: not enough to really complain about.
Paul: So
Paul: It was a little warm, but I'll take warm over wet, so
Paul: uh
Paul: that's another good title.
Paul: Uh
Paul: me
Drew: let me
Drew: noodle on that one.
Drew: We can make we can make that one into something I think.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Okay
Drew: Uh good
Drew: man.
Drew: I
Drew: I mean I
Drew: w when you reminded me I was like, you know what, I
Drew: you did mention you were going
Drew: to that.
Drew: I mean
Drew: I I know that's your thing, so I'm glad you had a good time.
Drew: It was good.
Drew: Now
Drew: uh before we get off this topic though,
Drew: what's your next concert?
Paul: Uh
Paul: oh, okay.
Paul: This is fun.
Paul: Uh
Paul: I have I have
Paul: I only have tickets for two upcoming shows, and one of them may surprise you.
Paul: Uh
Drew: Okay
Paul: Uh
Paul: I am going to see Fayetooth
Paul: at the end of August.
Paul: They call themselves Fairy
Paul: Doom.
Paul: Uh so it's more slower, more sludgy.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: And
Paul: I
Paul: just bought a pair of tickets.
Paul: In fact, I bought them yesterday.
Paul: No, Tuesday, Tuesday night.
Paul: A pair of tickets for me and my daughter to go see the Smashing Pumpkins when they come back
Paul: come in town.
Drew: Oh, where are they playing?
Paul: Uh, the shot.
Paul: Yeah, well buy a ticket.
Paul: They're on sale now.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: What they are doing is
Paul: it's like the 30 or 35th anniversary of Melancholy and Infinite Sadness.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: So what they're saying is the concert's two sets.
Paul: The first
Paul: is
Paul: a tribute to Mer
Paul: Melancholy and Infinite Sadness.
Paul: And then the second set is
Paul: the rest of their disog
Paul: discography.
Paul: So
Paul: That's in September.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Drew: Let me see.
Drew: Let's see what tickets are
Drew: going for.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: I
Paul: the
Paul: tickets I got
Paul: so I
Paul: I
Paul: Managed to get on in the Verizon presale, so I actually got them like a day early.
Paul: Uh
Paul: I think
Paul: where are your seats?
Paul: I am
Paul: in
Paul: section 123
Paul: row
Paul: L.
Drew: Okay, so you're you're to the right of
Drew: you're to the stage left.
Drew: Wow, those are expensive.
Paul: Yeah, I think we ended up spent
Paul: our tickets like
Paul: with fees
Paul: were about two
Paul: hundred bucks a piece.
Paul: But I mean that's
Paul: Or
Drew: Selena's Cove
Drew: experience.
Paul: Yeah, you can get all kinds of like
Paul: upgrades and shit, and my daughter's like, no, I just want to go see them.
Paul: So
Paul: Uh
Paul: which
Paul: the Smashing Pumpkins are her favorite band
Paul: and I enjoyed them very much when I was her age as well.
Paul: So it's gonna be a nice band.
Drew: I liked
Drew: I you know, I wasn't super into
Drew: music.
Drew: Um
Drew: until like my late teenage years, but I was a Smashing Pumpkins fan.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: I'm not familiar with like their most recent stuff, so I might have to dig d dive back in, but
Paul: I pretty much dropped out after Adore, I believe, uh, which is the album after melancholy.
Paul: Uh
Paul: but
Drew: I'll see.
Drew: I'll see if Mandy wants to go to that.
Paul: Yeah, so yeah.
Paul: My daughter and I are going to that.
Paul: That's in September, I believe, so.
Paul: Huh.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Very cool man.
Drew: Well I'm glad you had a good time, and I'm glad you didn't like
Drew: die or like
Drew: didn't
Paul: die.
Paul: Didn't die
Paul: not die.
Drew: Alright.
Drew: So
Drew: um
Drew: Paul, I'm too scared to develop a drug habit at my age.
Paul: Fair, fair.
Drew: Um, so I'm always looking for new ways to occupy my time and keep my mind engaged.
Drew: Um
Drew: now
Drew: I'm a man of many peculiar and expensive hobbies, as you know.
Drew: Um
Drew: and I still do those things.
Drew: Um
Drew: but I'm always looking for something new and exciting.
Drew: So
Drew: When I bought my 3D printer, one of my things was
Drew: I really want to make something on this that
Drew: is interesting.
Drew: And
Drew: uh
Drew: something
Drew: that I can make that is durable
Drew: and
Drew: not
Drew: necessarily resellable, but something that I could make and personalize and give as gifts.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So
Drew: what I've been doing over like the past month is I have been trying to make
Drew: molds.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Now, I want you to imagine
Drew: a cube.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Okay, just
Drew: imagine
Drew: imagine a cube, like
Drew: Go
Drew: yeah, okay, yeah, there you go.
Drew: That's a cube.
Drew: Yep, that's a cube.
Drew: That's very cubish.
Drew: For those of you who are listening, it's a Rubik's cube.
Drew: Yeah, so hold hold that up to the camera for a second, right?
Drew: So
Drew: I could 3D print that.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Right?
Drew: I could 3D print a cube.
Drew: But
Drew: I'm
Drew: beholden to
Drew: you can put the cube down.
Drew: Um
Drew: I'm beholden to the materials
Drew: that I print the cube on.
Drew: And they're plastic.
Drew: Yes.
Drew: Um
Drew: so for example, if I wanted to make that a paperweight
Drew: I would want to make it out of something heavier.
Drew: Heavy.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Metal, stone, something like that.
Drew: So the idea is you print something on your 3D printer.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: And then you build a bigger cube.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: That you seal up with hot
Drew: glue, painter
Drew: 's tape, clips, something.
Drew: You set the smaller cube in the bigger cube, and then you mix yourself up some silicone rubber.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So
Drew: for those of you that don't know, like you can go to like any art supply store, you can go to Beesbo's place
Drew: and you could buy
Drew: What is essentially a two-part
Drew: silicone mix where you have a base and an accelerant.
Drew: You mix them one for one.
Drew: You kind of sort around a little bit, right?
Drew: You try to get all the bubbles out of it.
Drew: And
Drew: that
Drew: is
Drew: who
Drew: hmm.
Drew: Bubbles.
Paul: Are bubbles a problem, Drew?
Drew: Bubbles are a problem
Drew: because you want to make sure that it's a uniform consistency.
Drew: So what you're doing is you're pouring that in there, and it forms around the smaller cube.
Drew: And after it finishes mixing, it turns into solid rubber
Drew: Okay.
Drew: That you can then like
Drew: peel off of the other cube, and you are left with a form
Drew: that you could then
Drew: make
Drew: cubes.
Drew: You could make cubes out of other things.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Now that is the simplest
Drew: example.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Now, when you're working in 3D space
Drew: What do you do about negative space?
Drew: What if you wanted a hole in that cube?
Paul: I don't know.
Paul: How would you do that, Drew?
Drew: Spurts my brain a little bit.
Drew: So
Drew: what you need to do is you need to print out the shape that you ultimately want to have.
Drew: And then you need to print out other pieces
Drew: of a contraption
Drew: that can like
Drew: insert another piece inside of that and hold it there.
Drew: So that if you're pouring silicone rubber into it, it forms around the shape
Drew: plus the cutout, leaving a space for you to then make something else out of, right?
Drew: Suffice to say, what I have been making
Drew: are candles.
Drew: Oh
Drew: wow
Drew: Okay, so
Drew: for those of you who can't see,
Drew: uh, what this is, is
Drew: what I did
Drew: is I printed this bowl shape in my 3D printer.
Drew: Okay?
Drew: Uh-huh.
Drew: Right?
Drew: I then built a form around it.
Drew: So basically it's like kind of like a cylinder inside of another cylinder
Drew: where this sits at the bottom.
Drew: And I actually have to put a screw through the bottom, because you know what plastic loves to do in silicone?
Drew: Float.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So you have to
Drew: put it put a screw through the bottom.
Drew: I'm learning things.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Right?
Drew: And then you have to put like
Drew: on top of the cylinder, you need to print like a smaller insert that goes inside of here.
Drew: So like when you're
Drew: when you're pouring in the silicone mold
Drew: You're basically pouring everything so that this shape is what you're pouring the next casting material into.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So a lot of trial and error.
Drew: And I can also do words.
Drew: Right?
Drew: I can do words, right, that are indented
Drew: into that, into the mold.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: So
Drew: then you
Drew: so
Drew: that took
Drew: like two weeks of
Drew: making a big ol' mess
Drew: because
Drew: uh
Drew: Uh
Drew: silicone is thicker than
Drew: like your silicone mix is thicker than water, but any small crevice or crack in your
Drew: form
Drew: Uh
Drew: life
Drew: life uh finds a way, as they say.
Drew: That goop that goop goes everywhere.
Drew: Now the good news is once it's dry, it's really easy to peel off of stuff.
Drew: Uh
Drew: but it is sticky.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Uh
Drew: so
Drew: that took about two solid weeks worth of fucking her out.
Drew: Now
Drew: I have a silicone mold.
Drew: So the question is, what do I make this out of?
Drew: Now
Drew: this.
Drew: Is a stone like material.
Drew: Now I have experimented with different materials.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: I originally
Drew: like I I was being served content where what people like to do is you find like a very, very coarse
Drew: cement
Drew: mix
Drew: and you add some aggregate to it
Drew: you kind of dice it up and you can add pigments of like iron oxide to it and everything
Drew: to basically make this out of concrete
Drew: Um, I experimented with that, but I did not have a good time for two main reasons.
Drew: One, I tried several different recipes to get the right consistency.
Drew: I could not get a good
Drew: smooth finish
Drew: and even the ones that I did, concrete
Drew: evanescences.
Drew: If you've ever been in a basement of a house with concrete block, like
Drew: cinder block,
Drew: you know how that white dust kind of forms on it?
Paul: Yeah
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: That's what that is, right?
Drew: As the f
Drew: because
Drew: like concrete takes a really long time to to cure.
Drew: Or
Drew: cement
Drew: takes a long time to cure, right?
Drew: Concrete is a ingredient in cement, one or the other.
Drew: But as it but as it dries out, that stuff sort of
Drew: like
Drew: evaporates out of it.
Drew: So like I would have to like
Drew: make it and then like brush it off a bunch of times until it was like eventually like all four.
Paul: completely cure so it stops doing that.
Paul: So yeah.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Which
Paul: a l
Paul: yeah
Drew: a lot more.
Drew: Now you can get
Drew: you can get incredible detail with it with the right
Drew: VIX, but I was not successful with that.
Drew: So
Drew: what I found after doing some research
Drew: was this.
Drew: It is a compound called Jasmineite
Paul: Jasmineite.
Paul: Yep.
Drew: So
Drew: uh
Drew: if you go to that website and you go to products, you're gonna want to go to products and then AC100.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Big big old tub.
Drew: Water-based eco
Paul: resin.
Drew: So it's technically a resin
Drew: Okay.
Drew: But it doesn't feel plastically like resin.
Drew: It feels like stone.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So it's a two-part
Drew: mix.
Drew: You buy you buy the liquid and then you buy what's called the base.
Drew: And it's not very expensive.
Drew: Like you can get a kilogram
Drew: of the base
Drew: and four hundred grams of the liquid by volume.
Drew: For about fifteen bucks.
Drew: Oh, that's yeah, that's
Drew: not
Drew: bad at all.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Now
Drew: you need a lot of it.
Drew: So like to make one of these
Drew: I need
Drew: about 50 grams of liquid
Drew: and the ratio is two and a half to one.
Drew: So you need 40 grams of
Drew: The base
Drew: liquid
Drew: and then you need
Drew: uh
Drew: 80 and then
Drew: yeah, a hundred grams of
Drew: yep, yeah, your math is good
Paul: I do a lot of coffee
Paul: ratio, so that kind of math goes pretty quick.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: So yeah, I'm speaking your language.
Drew: So
Drew: then
Drew: you mix all that up.
Drew: And
Drew: um
Drew: you can add dyes to it.
Drew: And like the dyes are where this stuff gets expensive.
Drew: If you buy like a little jar of dye, it is like 30 bucks.
Drew: But you only need like one or two drops to color.
Drew: So like for example, I made this one red for Databricks.
Drew: Oh wow, that's really red too.
Drew: Very red.
Drew: But like Databricks red.
Drew: See Databricks logo.
Drew: Yeah, I was gonna say
Paul: that's a Databricks logo on there, isn't it?
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: I
Drew: you know, I give and I give and I give.
Drew: They can let me have this one.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: So anyway.
Drew: Um
Drew: Yeah, so like you that's the stuff you can do, right?
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Um
Drew: so then like then what I had to do is figure out like okay, I want to try to perfect this because like it took a couple
Drew: like
Drew: fucking around to like get it and everything.
Drew: Um
Drew: then it became like you know
Drew: perfecting the ratio to get the right amount so you're not wasting material, uh
Drew: finding out the right color
Drew: dye mix and how many drops and you know what color do you want this to be.
Drew: Um
Drew: but
Drew: to take a quick deviation, like
Drew: again, removing bubbles is key
Drew: because what you don't want is you don't want to take it out of your mold and figure out that you had like a little air pocket right here.
Drew: There's a big divot in it.
Paul: Right.
Paul: Oh
Paul: yeah.
Paul: Okay, that makes sense.
Drew: So
Drew: that's when I went and bought a vacuum chamber.
Drew: Uh
Paul: okay.
Paul: Uh uh
Paul: that
Paul: that's one way of doing it, yeah.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: So
Paul: okay.
Paul: I mean we do like we do like our gear.
Paul: We do.
Paul: Oh
Paul: So
Drew: how big is the vacuum chamber?
Drew: Um
Drew: pulling it up right now.
Drew: Okay, okay.
Drew: So
Drew: what I bought, oh
Drew: come on, stupid Amazon.
Drew: So
Drew: I don't
Drew: I've only used this for the Jesmondite
Drew: mix once, but I typically do this when I'm making a new mold.
Drew: So
Drew: this is the Bacco
Drew: Eng
Drew: three gallon tempered glass vacuum chamber.
Paul: It's not as expensive as I thought it was
Paul: gonna be.
Drew: Uh
Drew: I cheaped out on this because they can be a lot more.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: But this holds three gallons and like you don't put the
Drew: you don't put the material directly in it.
Drew: You put the you put the material in something, then you set it in there,
Drew: then you hook up the pump that takes oil.
Drew: uh
Drew: in the hose and you close the valves and you turn it on and you basically watch the material kind of rise up so you kinda have to like off on
Drew: off
Drew: On.
Drew: Off.
Drew: On.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Right.
Drew: Because you don't want it to overflow.
Drew: Because what you're what it's basically doing is it's like
Drew: sucking all the air out of it, but also pulling it out of whatever you have it in.
Drew: Yeah.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Um
Drew: not
Drew: gonna lie, it's a little scary.
Drew: Um it's not a ton of pressure, but like
Drew: when I initially hooked it up, I was like, I should probably go get some goggles.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: I
Paul: can
Paul: 't
Paul: yeah.
Paul: Things under pressure can
Paul: explode.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: And like that lid, by the way, does not clamp
Drew: onto that sil
Drew: onto that tub.
Paul: It just sits there.
Paul: So I guess it uses the vacuum itself to keep
Paul: keep on.
Drew: Yes.
Drew: That yellow, or sorry, that orange ring around it is like a giant gasket that just kind of sits on top of that thing.
Drew: So like if you ever ding that thing or like
Drew: chip it, you're you're done.
Drew: You're fucked.
Drew: You're done.
Drew: You're never going to use it again.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: So
Drew: yeah, I I ended up getting one of those to sort of do that work.
Drew: Okay, so
Drew: how how do you pronounce this brand name, Bacon?
Drew: Baconj.
Drew: Bacon
Drew: Baconang
Drew: Bacon and eggs.
Drew: I don't know.
Drew: Like
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: A decent
Drew: review
Drew: and wasn't gonna cost me an arm
Drew: out of leg because I wasn't sure how much I was gonna use it and
Paul: how
Paul: much noise does that pump make
Drew: Not a lot.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Because I
Drew: here's the thing.
Drew: I'm only really taking it up.
Drew: It's it's just like you turn it on a little bit, you let some air bubble up, you turn it off, you let it go back down.
Drew: Turn it up
Drew: on and then like when you when it's not rising and falling anymore, you're done.
Drew: So then you pull it out, then you pull it out and you have to pour it like really slowly to not introduce more error whenever you're pouring it into the mold.
Drew: So
Drew: it's a little bit of a
Drew: A little bit of a skill issue, right?
Drew: Like you kind of have to like figure it out.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So
Drew: now
Drew: I've got
Drew: I've got this, right?
Drew: I could sand this.
Drew: I could paint this if I want to.
Drew: Um
Drew: you can add like
Drew: matte or glossy
Drew: finishing stuff to it like this has like a matte finish on it so yeah
Drew: this is the natural color like if you don't do any coloring it's kind of like an off-white which kind of looks decent right
Paul: looks nice yeah
Drew: So then I was like
Drew: ,
Paul: really sharp though, I have to admit.
Paul: Like that looks real freaking sharp.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: I made some I made some gray ones today that I'm waiting to
Drew: wait to
Drew: harden it up back there.
Drew: And by the way, this Jesmite
Drew: stuff sets really fast.
Drew: Like
Drew: You only get like
Drew: twenty
Drew: minutes of working time with it and then it starts to set up.
Drew: Oh wow.
Drew: Um
Drew: but
Drew: the curing time is only like three hours
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So like I can yank it out of that mold and start working on it.
Drew: Um
Drew: I did buy a respirator uh
Drew: because I do not want resin in my lungs.
Drew: Um
Drew: good call.
Drew: Especially if I'm sanding it, right?
Paul: So I have a
Drew: I have a little respirator in there too, so that was an expensive thing.
Drew: So then it became time to
Drew: it's time to make this a candle.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: And I
Paul: 'm I assume candles are pretty much a solved
Paul: problem here in
Paul: year of our
Paul: Lord twenty
Paul: twenty twenty six.
Paul: Or
Paul: am I wrong?
Drew: No, you're not wrong.
Drew: Um, but you just have to get the right material.
Drew: So
Drew: I'm I'm happy to announce that I'm a soy boy.
Paul: Soy can.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Yep.
Paul: Freedom soywax.
Paul: Yep.
Drew: Yep, and uh I just needed to buy something to melt it in.
Drew: Um
Drew: so what I ended up getting is the
Drew: Ven
Drew: Pau
Drew: candle
Drew: candle wax melter
Drew: I love these names.
Drew: Uh-huh.
Drew: Venpal
Drew: candle wax melter with pore spout
Drew: candle making kit
Drew: for adult beginners.
Drew: 1.
Drew: 5
Drew: liter
Drew: large capacity, comma for making candles and soaps.
Drew: Comma Kid
Drew: includes wax
Drew: melting pot and stirring spoon.
Drew: It's
Drew: a lot of things.
Drew: A lot of comma slices in there in that that title.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Yeah, so you throw your wax
Drew: beads in that, you turn it on, you melt it.
Drew: Um I bought some wicks.
Drew: You're supposed to soak the wicks in the wax for a certain amount of time.
Drew: Uh
Drew: and then
Drew: um
Drew: I'm not
Drew: making scented candles.
Drew: I'm never gonna make a scented candle.
Drew: Scented candles are stupid.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Um
Drew: just live in your house with
Drew: this
Drew: natural smell, you fucking jerk.
Paul: The amount of Senate candles in this house, Drew, would would probably infuriate you.
Paul: Yeah, probably.
Paul: So many.
Drew: So many.
Drew: So
Drew: what I like about this is it dries just white.
Drew: Right.
Drew: So it's just
Drew: a nice white contrast, like that's all I wanted.
Paul: Uh-huh.
Drew: Yep.
Drew: So
Drew: you throw
Drew: basically I scoop out some beads, throw it in the wax melter, let it melt, pour it in there, and then like the wicks that I'm using are like these little wood wicks.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: And what you can't see, because this is opaque, is there's like a little metal clamp
Drew: in there that it sits in.
Drew: So like
Drew: after you pour the wax, but before it sets up, you just kind of set that in there.
Drew: And because it's metal, it sinks, and then it just kind of forms up around it.
Drew: So
Drew: that is
Drew: uh
Drew: that's what I've been up to.
Drew: While you're enjoying concerts, I'm over here inhaling resin and making candles.
Drew: Making candles.
Paul: I never would have guessed
Paul: candle making.
Paul: to be your new hobby, Drew.
Drew: I mean, look, man, work
Drew: is
Drew: tough
Drew: and I need something to help me just unplug
Drew: for a little bit
Drew: and
Drew: Now that I have the process down, I can go back to my workbench.
Drew: I can put on my PPE.
Drew: I can
Drew: mix up some stuff.
Drew: Pour it into my molds that I have made.
Drew: I've got like four different molds
Drew: that I've made out of silicone and I can make some of these, let them
Drew: set up, come down the next morning, take them out.
Drew: um
Drew: sand them
Drew: down, uh
Drew: put a put a clear you know, put the finishing thing on it if I want it, and then melt some wax and let them
Drew: set up for a little while.
Drew: And you know, these are these are cool gifts.
Drew: So like if somebody wanted one with like their logo, for example, I could be like, Yeah, I could do that.
Drew: That's cool.
Drew: You know, it it would probably take me a couple days to get the mold, but once I have the mold, I can start
Drew: Crankin' out
Drew: candles.
Drew: That's awesome.
Drew: Yeah, so that's what I've been up to, buddy.
Drew: Wow.
Drew: Yeah
Drew: All right.
Drew: That's a show.
Drew: That is a show.
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