Paul: That countdown is the most awkward thing in the world.
Paul: Just sitting in silence staring at each other.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Hi, Paul.
Drew: Hi Drew, how are you?
Drew: I'm okay.
Drew: I just realized I left my coffee mug down here from this morning.
Drew: Oh.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: I was wondering like my coffee smells like hazelnut, and now I know why.
Drew: You still putting hazelnut in your coffee.
Drew: No, no.
Drew: The beans are roasted.
Drew: Gross.
Drew: Okay, don't get high and mighty gross.
Drew: Gross
Drew: Gross.
Drew: You've had okay, time out.
Drew: You have had me try highfalutin roasted flavored coffee.
Paul: I have never personally made roasted coff uh flavored coffee myself.
Paul: I'm firmly against I I it's okay to put syrups in there, but flavored coffee beans are gross.
Drew: But but but but but but you had me try you had me try like this has notes of chocolate this has notes of chocolate yes
Paul: Yes, but it does not mean they are flavored.
Paul: Those are tasting notes, like like when you're tasting wine.
Paul: It is not and it is not added onto it.
Drew: All right.
Drew: Um we have uh we have a fun night plan tonight.
Drew: Um I I've been drinking.
Drew: I was at the memorial
Drew: Um so for you.
Drew: Yeah, so we're gonna we're gonna bla we're gonna blast through this content like I blast through your mom.
Drew: All right.
Drew: So it's like
Drew: Here's the deal.
Drew: Um, last week we talked about Diablo 4 a lot to the point where I'm sure everybody but us was bored.
Drew: And I I'm so sorry to everybody.
Drew: This isn't for you.
Drew: This isn't for this isn't for you.
Drew: This is for us.
Drew: We will talk about whatever we want.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Mm-hmm.
Drew: Um, so I have hit the point in Diablo 4 now where my paladin is like um
Drew: Paragon 155 or whatever.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Pla play it at a fair bit.
Drew: I'm like at 180, I think.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: I uh right now I don't know what to do.
Drew: Well I I've been I've been running I've been running the pit.
Paul: I've been running what format level are you are you at?
Drew: I can do six, but it's dice.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: I can I can do six.
Paul: I am solidly at eight.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: And and honestly, it's at a point now like this happens to me every season.
Paul: I play it.
Paul: Actually, I play two characters this season.
Paul: Sometimes I only play one.
Paul: So I played a warlock and then I played a sorcerer.
Paul: Uh I'm done.
Paul: I'm done.
Paul: I've I've I've looked at it things and I'm like, eh.
Paul: Like I could keep grinding.
Paul: I could keep going, but I hit a point where I'm just like
Paul: Yeah, I don't wanna, and then I go do something else.
Paul: So welcome to Diablo.
Drew: And that's kind of where I'm at too.
Drew: Oh, like I don't like I I think I understand the core loop.
Drew: Um a couple things.
Drew: I am not smart enough to understand how the Roger Cube works.
Paul: I There are some really good guides online for that.
Drew: Yeah, okay.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: And um I really don't understand
Drew: Outside of my build guide, what gear I should be keeping versus what I should be trashing, what I should be recycling
Drew: There's a lot of questions around that.
Drew: Um, I really don't understand crafting.
Drew: It seems like sometimes I upgrade something, then I'm not allowed to do anything else to it anymore.
Paul: Yeah, that's like there's there's there's one thing you can do to it that basically stops progression.
Paul: Uh and honestly with like gear, like usually you're looking for like a couple of things.
Paul: Most gears are either focused around like vulnerable, critical strikes, overpower
Paul: So you're looking at gear that gives you that.
Paul: If resources are an issue, you're looking for gears that give you extra resources or cooldown reduction.
Paul: So usually like there's like three or four things that you're looking for for your build
Paul: And then most of it just ends up going in the garbage.
Paul: Going not going right in the garbage disposal.
Paul: Luckily they've added a loot filter, so, but like the weird thing about like
Paul: A lot of ARPGs when you have a loop filter, it like automatically salvages things that like you don't have in your loop filter
Paul: And in Diablo, you just don't see them, so you don't get the materials, which at a certain point is okay, but like there's still a point where you need some of those materials for upgrades and stuff, and like you need this you need to be like trashing him.
Paul: So
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Um I haven't really understood like not a lot of my gear is socketable right now, so I haven't played with gems or runes or any of that stuff.
Drew: Um I I don't really understand You can add sockets to items in controller.
Drew: Yeah I can.
Drew: I know that.
Drew: Um
Drew: I also don't really understand um ancestral and if there's something better than ancestral because it seems like that's like 900 power, which is 750 power.
Paul: Yeah, so it goes like ancestral.
Paul: ancestrals with like greater so an ancestral is is can have a greater affix.
Drew: That's a little symbol that shows up right yep yep exactly.
Paul: Doesn't have to, but it can
Paul: And then after that, there's like uniques, which could also drop greater affixes.
Paul: And then there's mythics on top of that.
Paul: So mythics is kind of like the highest tier.
Paul: Which you haven't seen.
Paul: I have uh I have I I have now seen mythics.
Paul: They're not the mythics that I have needed needed.
Paul: So I I I threw those also in the garbage disposal to get a resplendent spark
Paul: And and what like so yeah you can turn two resplendent sparks into a random mythic
Paul: Or if you have the right number of runes, you can turn it into specific mythic that you want.
Paul: I am like six runes short and they're legendary runes and I just I don't I don't I don't wanna I don't wanna
Drew: I don't want to go farm and for the.
Drew: Could you trade for them?
Drew: Could you like ask them?
Paul: I I I could, yeah, if I wanted to, or or real money transaction if I if I was so inclined, but
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: That's that's one thing I was kind of curious about.
Drew: There doesn't seem to be like a marketplace other than chat, which I think that's always kind of been Diablo's thing, right?
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: People trading for things.
Drew: Okay, that's all we have to talk about.
Drew: Like I I I'm kind of with you.
Drew: Like I've I've got my character through the expansion.
Drew: I'm in the paragons.
Drew: Like I can understand the addiction.
Drew: It's kind of fun.
Drew: Um
Paul: It's fun for me until it's not it's not.
Paul: And it's like it's just like random.
Paul: Like one time I'm like like I sit down, I'm like, I think I'm done playing Diablo this season.
Paul: And then I just wait for the next one.
Paul: And they're they're like they're changing mythics next season, and I'm not sure it's gonna be a good thing.
Paul: So we'll we'll see what happens.
Drew: But
Drew: And like every season I know they tweak the balance and everything.
Drew: So like the build I have now, I'm gonna have to go do a whole another new build and find new key.
Drew: Oh I mean, unless I roll a new character, right?
Paul: Like Well you for seasonal you have to.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Yeah, which makes sense.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Yeah, they haven't done like there was a feature in Diablo 3 like like rebirth or something where you had the same character but you had to like level it up and then yeah or
Paul: They don't have that mechanic in Diablo 4 yet.
Paul: So yeah, it's basically roll a new character.
Paul: Keep playing.
Paul: Your other character will go into the Eternal Realm, which
Paul: I have never once season started, I have never opened up an Eternal REM character.
Paul: Just eventually I'll hit the limit of like 16 characters and go, which one of which one of you are going to die today?
Paul: Hmm
Drew: Alright.
Drew: So um okay.
Drew: Uh that's that's all I want to talk about.
Drew: Just mentioning that's where I'm in my journey.
Drew: I I have seen it through to some sort of completion.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Good.
Drew: Um
Drew: Last week was a long weekend.
Drew: We had Memorial Day, so we kind of had the long weekend, and I was sick.
Drew: Ooh.
Drew: And I was sort of rotting on my couch, rotting in bed, and I was just like, you know, I just want
Drew: To put a movie on.
Drew: One of my things that I like to do is sometimes I'll just put a movie on the TV.
Drew: I'll sort of half pay attention to it.
Drew: I want to take some NyQuil.
Drew: I want to doze off.
Drew: And in this house, we subscribe to multiple streaming services.
Drew: We have Netflix, we have Hulu, we have Amazon Prime, we have
Drew: Um I think we still technically have Disney Plus question mark.
Drew: I don't know.
Drew: But like the the main three that I look at are Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Prime.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So I was I was laying there all congested, feeling kind of shitty, and I was just scrolling through looking for a movie to watch.
Drew: And I started to notice something.
Drew: All of these movies are the same fucking movie.
Drew: All right.
Drew: And and be and I was so compelled
Drew: by this very fact that I have prepared a game for you.
Drew: Okay?
Drew: Okay.
Drew: This is called the angry white guy game
Drew: Oh, I'm gonna do horrible at this, I bet.
Drew: I don't know.
Drew: Okay, so here are the rules of the game.
Drew: I I am going to read you a synopsis.
Drew: And you will score a point if you can tell me if it is a Jason Statham movie or a Liam Neeson movie.
Drew: Because
Drew: There's a lot of Jason Statham and Liam Neeson movies that are basically the same movie.
Paul: The thing is, I haven't seen like hardly any of those in movies in this category.
Paul: But I will do my best.
Drew: I will do my best.
Drew: So I'm gonna give you a test question, okay?
Drew: And and I think this is gonna set the the speed for how this is gonna go.
Drew: Okay?
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Now you will get a point if you could tell me if this is a Jason Statham movie or a Liam Neeson movie.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: And I will say that there are little clues in the description that might help you understand.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: You will also get a bonus point if you can tell me the name of the movie.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: All right.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Now that it the the names of the movie might be a little harder.
Drew: Okay, here we go.
Drew: This is the tester question.
Drew: Adam Clay is a seemingly ordinary man living a quiet life as a literal beekeeper while renting land from a kind-hearted woman.
Drew: When his landlady falls victim to a malicious fishing scam and tragically takes her own life, Clay is driven by a desire for brutal revenge.
Drew: He is soon revealed to be a retired operative from an elite clandestine
Drew: National organization known as the Beekeepers.
Paul: Yeah, yeah, okay.
Paul: So this is this is this is the Beek
Paul: Keeper, right?
Paul: Jason State.
Drew: Okay, all right, there you go.
Drew: Okay, that's the tester question.
Paul: I'll give you a point for it, but that okay, that's what this is.
Paul: Okay, so here we go.
Paul: I have not seen that movie, but I am yeah, I am aware of yeah
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So that's the frame of reference that we're working with here, okay?
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Alright, here we go.
Drew: I'm gonna give you the first one here.
Drew: I have a lot of these, but if it goes poorly, we'll cut it early.
Drew: But we'll stop.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Meticulous bank robber Tom Carter decides to turn himself in and hand over $9 million in stolen cash.
Drew: so he can live an honest life with the woman he loves.
Drew: However, his plans for redemption go sideways when two corrupt FBI agents double cross him and steal the money for themselves.
Drew: Framed for a murder he did not commit, Tom is forced to go on the run to clear his name.
Drew: He must ultimately utilize his old military and criminal skills to bring the dirty agents to justice.
Paul: I know this is a Liam Neeson movie, but I do not remember the title of it.
Drew: Okay, you're correct.
Drew: Liam Neeson, Honest Thief, uh 2020.
Drew: Oh, by the way, I meant to do this at the beginning too.
Drew: AI disclaimer.
Drew: I used AI to help me search
Drew: And uh summarize the movies.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So like a lot of these and and I I did spot check it and it and I used um I used a local LLM with an MCP server to do a web search.
Drew: And I think IMDB also is an MCP server, but uh AI, AI, AI.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: All right, good.
Drew: All right, so it's it's you you got two.
Drew: Okay, here we go.
Drew: Veteran Big Rig Ice Road driver Mike McCann travels to the Himalayas in Nepal to fulfill his late brother's dying wish to have his ashes scattered on Mount Everest.
Drew: The spiritual journey quickly turns into a battle for survival when Mike and his Sherpa guide board a mountain tour bus that is intercepted by ruthless mercenaries.
Drew: The mercenaries are hunting a local activist whose family refuses to surrender their ancestral lands to a corrupt industrialist.
Drew: Caught in the crossfire of a deadly corporate conspiracy, Mike must step up to protect the innocent passengers and save the local village.
Drew: I don't know this one.
Paul: This feels like a Jason's a Satham movie.
Paul: Is that your final answer?
Drew: That is my final answer.
Drew: It is not.
Drew: This is a Liam Neeson movie.
Drew: This is Ice Road Vengeance.
Drew: Uh it is the sequel to Ice Road.
Drew: It is the sequel to Ice Road as a 2025 movie starring Liam Neeson.
Drew: And by the way, um, Liam Neeson or Jason Statham are
Drew: the stars of these movies.
Drew: They're not supporting actors.
Drew: They're not like background characters.
Drew: These they are the stars of these movies.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: All right, here we go.
Drew: Number three.
Drew: An aging Boston mob enforcer and former boxer known simply as Thug is diagnosed with severe CTE and given only two years before his memory completely fades.
Drew: Looking to atone for a lifetime of violent sins, he attempts to reconnect with his estranged daughter and the grandson he has never met.
Drew: Unfortunately,
Drew: his deep ties to the local Southe that's like a Boston thing crime syndicate make walking away from his old lifestyle incredibly difficult.
Drew: When a human trafficking ring threatens his family's safety and legacy, he uses his remaining strength for one final rescue mission.
Drew: Liam Neeson is correct.
Drew: This is absolute the 2024.
Drew: Oh, absolute.
Drew: God damn it.
Drew: What which one did you say?
Drew: I was like taken.
Drew: Okay.
Paul: I mean you see the spirit of the game now, right?
Paul: I disappeared.
Paul: Like, wait, there's another one of those kind of things?
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Alright, here we go.
Paul: All right.
Drew: This one's a little bit of a giveaway, but we'll we'll we'll play it out.
Drew: We'll we'll see.
Drew: We'll see how many movies I've seen.
Drew: A former British government assassin named Shelter is living in self-imposed exile on a remote island off the coast of Scotland.
Drew: His quiet isolation is shattered when he rescues a young girl from a dangerous dangerous deadly storm.
Drew: This act of kindness draws them both into immense danger as a shadow as shadowy figures in an elite government agency hunt them down.
Drew: Forced out of seclusion, he must utilize his lethal skill set to protect the orphan in a tense journey of survival.
Paul: I have no idea what movie this is or who would be in it.
Paul: I'm just gonna guess Liam Neeson, because that seems to be what's going on now.
Drew: This is this is Jason Statham in the recently released Shelter movie.
Drew: Oh, yeah.
Drew: I didn't I don't even know if I knew that movie existed.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: I'll do a couple more.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: I'm bad at this.
Drew: No, that's okay.
Drew: But I see your point.
Drew: These are you have you have two.
Drew: You're you're like you're like two you're like two for four.
Drew: So that's good.
Drew: Okay?
Drew: Okay, okay.
Drew: A mysterious and stoic man, known simply as H, takes a job as a security guard for a high-stakes armored truck company in Los Angeles.
Drew: During a violent attempt at heist, H shocks his new co-workers by effortlessly eliminating the robbers with terrifying precision military skill.
Drew: As his suspicious colleagues wonder about his origins.
Drew: The true mo his true motivations are gradually revealed through a shifting, nonlinear narrative.
Drew: H is actually an undercover crime boss hunting down the s hand hunting down the specific team of thieves who murdered his young son during a past robbery.
Drew: Jason Statham?
Drew: Correct.
Drew: That's Jason Statham in the the in the 2021 movie Wrath of Man.
Drew: Wrath of Man.
Drew: Alright, all right.
Drew: Last one.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Alright, here we go.
Drew: Um, I already did that one.
Drew: I did that one.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Berlin-based investment banker Matt Turner finds his routine morning commute upended when he agrees to drive his two children to school.
Drew: While on the road, he receives a call from a stereous, distorted voice informing him that a pressure-activated bomb is hidden beneath his seat.
Drew: The unknown caller threatens to detonate the vehicle remotely if Matt stops the car, let anyone exit, or fails to execute a series of increasingly dangerous financial demands.
Drew: As the police begin pursuing him under a false impression he is the rogue bomber, Matt faces a high-speed race against time to save his family.
Paul: Is this the commuter by Liam Neeson?
Drew: Liam Neeson is correct.
Drew: It is retribution
Drew: Retroduce okay, I think I've seen this movie and I c yeah, I could yeah.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Alright, we'll stop there.
Drew: So you got you got three up you need three.
Drew: Better than I thought.
Drew: You're noticing you're noticing a path here, right?
Drew: Like this is the very art game.
Drew: Yeah, some some some some secretive pass of all these people, insane skills
Paul: Half tound like movies that yeah, like yeah, yeah.
Drew: Angry White Guy movie.
Drew: Angry angry white guy movies, right?
Drew: Uh and it's just like I was flipping through these things and I was like
Drew: This is uh well, what is this?
Drew: Like these are just all cookie cutter movies.
Drew: So anyway, that that's how I spent my Friday.
Drew: That's how I spent my Thursday actually preparing for this.
Drew: I I just thought maybe you'd get it.
Drew: We haven't done a game in a while, so I thought maybe you got four.
Drew: That was good.
Drew: We haven't done a game.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: The angry white guy game.
Drew: Three out of two.
Drew: Good job.
Drew: Good job, by the way.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: All right.
Drew: So let's stay on our media kick.
Drew: You have things to talk about
Paul: Yes, uh I would like to recommend a TV show that I recently watched on Apple TV.
Paul: I guess this is called Apple TV now.
Paul: The Apple TV service that you can watch on your Apple TV.
Paul: Excuse me.
Paul: Woo.
Paul: It is called Margot's Got Money Problems.
Paul: Are you aware of the show at all?
Drew: I have seen it a trailer on Apple TV.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Here's here's here's the pitch.
Paul: Here's the pitch.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: So it stars El Fanning.
Paul: She plays the titular Margo.
Paul: Uh
Paul: Not too many spoilers.
Paul: Basically, she's a college student.
Paul: She gets knocked up by her professor, has the baby, loses her job, needs money, starts doing OnlyFans.
Paul: That's that is the premise of the movie.
Paul: Oh the of this, not the movie, the series, the series.
Paul: Uh
Paul: I'm um and the second part of my pitch is two more people that are in the show.
Paul: The first is Nick Offerman.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: That's I have seen I I think I've seen clips of him in it.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: He plays
Paul: Margot's kind of estranged father, who used to be a professional wrestler.
Paul: Uh, he is a recovering addict and and comes back into her life after she has the kid
Paul: Hilarity ensues.
Paul: Uh, and then also Michelle Pfeiffer, who plays Margot's mother, who is very much a like
Paul: Someone who wants to be fancier than they are, but like she like the mom used to work at Hooters and now works at Bloomingdale's and it but like those three as the core cast
Paul: Uh, it's just an amazing show.
Paul: It's funny, it's clever.
Paul: I mean, it's not super surprising.
Paul: You probably predict what's gonna happen as things start happening, but
Paul: The the the cast, the writing, the performances all stellar.
Paul: Uh yeah, it's it's
Paul: It's a spectacular show.
Paul: I think it's like eight seasons each, like about 45 minutes to an hour.
Paul: Eight.
Paul: It's so eight episodes.
Paul: Yep.
Paul: It's good.
Paul: It's good television all the way down.
Paul: So yeah, highly recommend everybody check out Margot's Got Money Problems.
Drew: Michelle Fiverr.
Drew: I had suck a crush on Michelle Fiverr in my former computers.
Drew: I really did.
Drew: Mm-hmm.
Drew: Oh God.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Nicole Kidman too.
Drew: Wow.
Drew: Oh yeah, Nicole yeah, that's true.
Paul: She she does she has a s
Drew: I'm looking at the cast.
Paul: Yeah, yeah.
Paul: Nicole Killman play it plays a smaller role of someone who used to wrestle with her dad, who is now a lawyer.
Paul: That becomes important later on.
Paul: Uh yeah.
Paul: Wow.
Paul: It is uh really, really good.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: I mean, is it funny?
Drew: I mean Nick Arkin is always funny.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: It's I would call I would call it a dramatic comedy
Paul: It is it is primarily it's primarily funny.
Paul: It's yeah, Nick Offerman is just like he's not he only comes in at the very end of the first episode, I think, but then he's in the rest of them.
Paul: He's
Paul: I mean, he kind of steals any show that he's in.
Paul: He's such a good performer and actor, but like he really plays he plays the character's name is Jinx.
Paul: And uh yeah, it's
Paul: Yeah, and and like not too much spoilers, but like uh you know the the titular Margot has some roommates and one of her roommates is like a huge professional wrestler wrestling fan and
Paul: Her dad is her favorite wrestler, but she never tells him tells her that that's his dad until one day he like rings the doorbell.
Paul: Oh, okay
Paul: Yeah, so it's uh it's real it's real good.
Paul: I I highly recommend it.
Paul: It's a good show all the way down.
Drew: How long has that been about?
Paul: It's based off a book, I guess.
Paul: Uh yeah, it's pretty new, I think.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: All right.
Drew: I'll I'll give that a watch.
Drew: But while we're on the subject of Apple TV, um I I was flipping through Apple TV when I saw this trailer.
Drew: Yes.
Drew: And there's another show called Star City.
Paul: Yes, I have watched the first three episodes of Star City.
Drew: I'm on it, I'm just about to start episode three.
Paul: So now have have you watched
Paul: For All Mankind yet?
Drew: I've only watched the first season of All For All Mankind.
Paul: Okay, because this is a- Okay, so then you know enough to get caught like this is a spin-off from All Ma All Mankind.
Paul: Correct.
Drew: It takes place in the same universe as
Drew: For all mankind.
Drew: And for those of you that haven't watched For All Mankind, the whole premise of that show is the Soviets beat the Americans to the moon.
Drew: And they won the space race.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: And while for all mankind, I think mostly focuses on the American side of the story, there is some Soviet stuff.
Drew: This is purely, it sort of takes
Drew: place right after the Russian moon landing from the Soviet's perspective and it's very like it's very like
Drew: You know, what you imagine living in the Soviet Union during that time was like.
Paul: Yes, lots of yeah.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Yeah.
Paul: Not quite espionage, but like intrigue, lots of intrigue, yeah.
Paul: Yes.
Drew: A little bit of suspense, like you know
Drew: Yes, in For All Mankind, the Soviets are eating our lunch, but it's like this is showing you kind of the other side of Right, like what it took.
Paul: Y yes, and like how distrustful they are of their own people.
Paul: And like for rightfully so, because like, you know, there is there are shenanigans going on.
Paul: There are some shenanigans.
Paul: The one problem I have with it, I'm three episodes in and I can't remember anybody's fucking name.
Drew: So um I'm gonna confess something to you.
Drew: I am now a subtitle watcher person.
Paul: This show I've used I've started using subtitles.
Drew: I watch everything with subtitles now for a couple reasons.
Drew: One, um
Drew: My audio setup in my main living room is just a sound bar and it's a big room.
Drew: So it's a it it doesn't like it's either always too loud or too quiet
Drew: And if my dog is barking or they're cut or someone's cutting the grass or whatever, I can't, right?
Drew: So I just like having the subtitles on just as a helper.
Drew: So everything I watch, unless it's a movie I've seen before, I'll just I'll just put the subtitles on.
Drew: Like that is just that is just a default for me at my age now.
Drew: I don't know.
Drew: Um I I mean that has helped me a little bit.
Drew: So because I can actually like when someone actually says like you know comrade whatever and they say their name, like that helps me.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Like I'm like
Paul: If someone says the name, I probably could picture who that is.
Paul: I just have a hard time remembering what they are.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: So this is like something that Chernobyl did very well.
Drew: And I've I've seen people give uh interviews after the Chernobyl series where it's like, look.
Drew: We're not gonna have people do a bad Russian accent.
Drew: We're gonna have people speak in their native accents and uh and you're just gonna have to pretend that these are people.
Drew: And that's kind of what's happening here too.
Drew: Although they do give them a little bit of an affectation.
Paul: I think they give them us a little bit.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: But like one thing that's real like the sets are absolutely frickin' amazing.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Like they really capture that like Cold War era
Paul: Like Soviet Union just so well.
Paul: Yep.
Paul: Uh yeah.
Drew: Yep.
Drew: Agree.
Drew: Uh I'm intrigued.
Drew: I don't know how many seasons it'll go.
Paul: Um the third episode's pretty good.
Drew: Uh
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Maybe I'll go watch it after this.
Paul: Yeah, yeah.
Paul: I watched like part of it during lunch, then uh the second half after work.
Paul: Uh yeah, it's it's good.
Paul: Yeah, and I'll throw it back out there for all mankind.
Paul: There are the God freaking damn it.
Paul: Where is this goddamn frog in my throat coming from?
Paul: Excuse me one minute.
Paul: Oh yeah.
Paul: Good audio.
Paul: Ah right.
Drew: Love that.
Paul: For All Mankind's like in its sixth season, it just wrapped up.
Paul: It's also really good.
Paul: It's it's different.
Paul: It's more
Paul: I would say kind of more action-y, especially in the later seasons.
Drew: I was gonna say I'm pretty sure I saw a clip of an M sixteen on the moon and I don't think that's how that works.
Paul: Yeah, or that it's probably on Mars, actually.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: I mean it's a it's a different show, but it's basically like yeah, like
Paul: It all comes down to that, like the core of the universe is yeah, the Russians won the space race got to the moon first, and what would reality look like after that?
Paul: Uh
Paul: So yeah, it's a good it's a good series.
Paul: I like the universe, I like the pre the premise, the alternate reality kind of thing, alternate history.
Drew: Yeah, yeah, I I can dig that.
Drew: I can dig that too.
Drew: And that's kind of la that's kind of why I like playing Wolfenstein like in the new order and stuff, because it was just like the same thing.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: And that's kind of interesting because it kind of gives me that same vibe.
Drew: Like Star City gives me a lot of that same vibe
Drew: Yeah.
Paul: And it's fine as someone who enjoyed for all mankind to see the other side of the story is is I find that really fascinating.
Paul: Like, yeah.
Paul: Like I was like the first ten minutes I was like, ooh, this is gonna be a slog.
Paul: And then it then and then it hook then it
Paul: A little bit of a hook there at the end.
Paul: You're like, oh, oh, oh.
Paul: So yeah.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: And also really I mean not not to do much of the spoilers, but I really like how they do like the surveillance scenes
Paul: Oh right.
Paul: And 'cause you know it's not happening at the same time but like they they in they interweave it like yeah.
Paul: It's a really interesting
Paul: Storytelling device.
Drew: Yep.
Drew: Everybody everybody's apartment is bugged.
Drew: Like, yeah.
Drew: There's a lot of like your friends and neighbors type stuff
Paul: Yes, yeah.
Paul: It's it's a very interesting storytelling uh device, I think.
Paul: And yeah, it works well.
Paul: It's a good show so far.
Paul: Three set three episodes in, good show.
Paul: Yep, yep.
Paul: Alright, you put a new link in the chat.
Paul: So you know me and my handheld gaming, though I haven't bought anything since RAM kind of went bonkers.
Paul: Everything the price went up.
Paul: But my go-to handheld device these days is the X Asus Xbox, because it's all caps now.
Paul: Uh ROG Ally X.
Paul: I love that thing.
Paul: It's good.
Paul: It's ergonomic.
Paul: It's got a, you know, first hand out goes.
Paul: It's it's really good.
Paul: Well, Asus has announced kind of a
Paul: They're doing this like 20th anniversary stuff of the company or whatever.
Paul: So they're releasing an anniversary edition version of the handheld called the Asus Xbox ROG Ally X20
Paul: So what is the difference, Drew?
Paul: Well, I'll tell you.
Paul: Uh as far as like specs, like hard like processor, RAM, all the same.
Paul: They put an OLED screen in that set on that thing.
Paul: It's a little bit bigger, same resolution, 1080p, but it's a little bit bigger
Paul: They replaced all of the buttons.
Paul: It has like a much better D-pad.
Paul: It's got one of those, remember like the first like Xbox Elite where you can like turn?
Paul: the at the D-pad and like it would like the corners would come up where you could push it down.
Paul: It's literally got that exact same thing in it.
Paul: It's got a really neat looking translucent case.
Paul: On paper looks great.
Paul: Like it would for me, it would be an absolute no-brainer of an upgrade.
Paul: I would love to have I would sell my other one and buy this.
Paul: But there's one small problem.
Drew: I like the aesthetic of the gold though.
Paul: Yes, yeah, yeah.
Paul: And apparently like Asus is gonna have a whole bunch of things coming out this year that have that kind of gold accents to celebrate their anniversary.
Paul: Okay, so there's one thing.
Paul: You cannot buy it by itself.
Paul: You have to purchase it with a pair of X Real AR glasses.
Drew: What are X Real AR glasses?
Paul: Are you are you not aware of XReal?
Paul: No.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: So
Paul: There are these companies out there that basically put displays in glasses.
Drew: Is it VR?
Paul: No, it's not.
Paul: It's not VR.
Paul: It's not 3D at all.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: It displays a 2D
Paul: Image in front of your eyes through the glasses.
Paul: So it literally connects as a display to your computer, your handheld, anything
Paul: But then the images are projected on the glass, the the lenses of the glasses, and you look at those.
Paul: So it's like if you want to play in private or like
Paul: If you're in bed and your partner's sleeping, you don't want to bug them, or you just want to have like a bigger screen in your field of vision.
Paul: Uh
Paul: But you have to buy them with the X Reels R1 glasses.
Paul: So like this whole bundle is going to be like two grand.
Paul: Like they haven't announced a price, but it absolutely has to be.
Drew: Yeah, Rogue X Rail R1 AR glasses are a whopping $849 to pre-order at Best Buy.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: What what what what what would you what would you use this for?
Drew: What why, why, why why the bundle?
Drew: I don't know why the bundle.
Paul: I'm actually you know what I do know why the bundle because everything's expensive now so they figure if they add something on they can just raise the price and blame it on the bundle and not the fact that RAM costs four times as much.
Paul: That's my guess.
Paul: Or they have some sort of stupid deal with with uh you know uh the Xreel.
Drew: The collaboration blends the features of XReal's other glasses.
Drew: My dream pair of AR gaming glasses needs to have these nine features.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: So So they just they just project an image.
Drew: They do.
Drew: Yep.
Drew: So this is like Shadow Run Smart Link.
Drew: Shadow Run 3rd Edition Smart Link.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Yeah, but for video games.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Exactly.
Drew: I have I have absolutely no interest.
Drew: in that.
Paul: Me me either.
Paul: Me either.
Paul: I don't.
Paul: Plus, like I have to wear them over my regular glasses and that's not gonna work well.
Paul: And I just have no I have no desire.
Paul: F I t to me, holding a handheld and looking at it isn't that big of that's not a problem I need to solve.
Paul: It's it's good enough.
Paul: It's good enough.
Drew: So you have you have to buy it with this bundle.
Paul: Yes.
Paul: The only way they're at least for what they've announced.
Paul: It is only coming in a bundle with the glasses.
Paul: Shame.
Paul: So I mean, maybe if the prices aren't too bad and scalpers buy them and sell them separately, maybe, but
Paul: Yeah, I at this this point I think it's gonna be a hard pass from me.
Paul: Uh because I do not need X or X real
Paul: That is a good question
Paul: Uh see if I can find my receipt and my email.
Drew: Was it a th was it like a th was it like a thousand bucks?
Paul: I think maybe a little bit more.
Paul: Uh thank you for your order.
Paul: That was the case.
Paul: Oh, it was a thousand bucks.
Paul: Yeah, $999.
Paul: 99 is what it cost when I bought it.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Now with these upgrades, so this one, if you were able to buy it by yourself, it would be at least a thousand bucks plus the cost of the upgrades.
Drew: Yeah.
Paul: I'm honestly like a lot of handhelds have already raised their prices.
Paul: Asus is kind of the last one to do it.
Paul: So I fully expect probably when they announce price, they're probably gonna raise the price of the base one.
Paul: I mean they have to probably at least a couple hundred dollars to hand to deal with component prices.
Paul: I mean heck, the Steam Deck is now like s like everybody's really everybody's mad.
Paul: Everybody's mad.
Paul: Because that was such a great deal.
Paul: It was a great deal, and now it's not like so like today, right now, I think the the the Asus R O G Xbox Ally X, God, what a horrible name.
Paul: It's probably the best deal like in handheld gaming, only because they have not raised their price yet.
Paul: Uh I have to imagine that's coming soon sometime.
Paul: Honestly.
Paul: I don't think, yeah.
Paul: It's gotta go up at least 200 bucks, if not more.
Drew: Yeah, 100%.
Drew: Everything's going up.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Paul: Everything is awful now.
Drew: So what are you what are you playing on your handhelds these days?
Paul: Uh I've been playing no honestly, like I'm kind of in between things.
Paul: I kind of stopped playing Diablo and watching TV and reading comics.
Paul: Uh I'm interested in playing the new the new James Bond game, First Light.
Paul: I've heard good things.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Though September is gonna be huge.
Paul: Control, right?
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: I saw that that's when control's coming out.
Paul: Yeah, control resident.
Paul: Yeah, they had they dropped a new trailer today, like right before we jumped on the call.
Paul: Oh really?
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Oh put that in the dock.
Paul: I want to watch that.
Paul: Oh yeah.
Paul: It it's uh the voiceover is done by uh our good friend Emily Pope
Paul: Oh good.
Paul: Uh oh, they also released like a gameplay trailer too.
Paul: Uh let me drop me drop the the the trailer.
Paul: Control was such a great game.
Paul: Uh-huh.
Paul: I may replay that one more time.
Paul: I think I'm gonna have to.
Paul: Yeah, hold on.
Paul: Cop uh let me click on this.
Paul: YouTube, why don't you share?
Paul: Copy.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Uh
Paul: It looks looks real good.
Paul: Real good.
Paul: Uh Control.
Paul: There we go.
Paul: Link.
Paul: It's an IGN reposting it, but that was the first one that came up in my search.
Paul: So yeah, that that looks that looks real good.
Paul: So maybe replaying controls in my in my future.
Drew: Uh what else is coming out in September?
Drew: I I see that the internet is Wolverine.
Drew: Okay.
Paul: Wolverine.
Drew: I also see the internet to be a PS5 exclusive.
Drew: I also see the internet is going crazy for the big cube of the new God of War.
Drew: Yeah, Lafayette or whatever.
Drew: Yeah.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: I'm excited for it.
Paul: I watch the trailer.
Paul: Like I get like internet like why how can you call it God of War when God the God of War is not in it?
Paul: It's like fuck you, man.
Paul: They're telling a story here.
Paul: Right.
Paul: Like the combat looks ridiculous.
Paul: Uh I I'm a big fan of what Deborah Ann
Paul: Well that are yeah, Deborah, Deborah Ann Wolf, the the actress who plays that character.
Paul: I'm a big fan of her.
Paul: She's great in the Daredevil series and stuff like that.
Paul: Uh the the combat looks good.
Paul: It's
Paul: Yeah, it's a site, kind of a continuation of the same story.
Paul: I'm excited for it.
Paul: It looks great.
Paul: So but I'm pretty sure like have you with uh Sony going, hey, you know that thing we did where we used to put a lot of our exclusives on PC?
Paul: Yeah, we're not doing that anymore.
Drew: Such a bummer too because they sold really well.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: So they sold really well.
Drew: And I'm sure that there's significant development effort to make it multi-platform, right?
Drew: But
Drew: I g I mean I get it, but it kind of sucks because like it does.
Drew: I still have The Last of Us and The Last of Us 2 on my wish list to play on the PC because I've I've never played those games.
Drew: And I and that's the only place I probably would play it.
Drew: Yeah, this one uh Last of Us still my favorite video game of all time.
Drew: I I hear I hear it's a very good time.
Paul: It is.
Paul: It's good.
Paul: And the remaster with the changes they made to the gameplay help a lot to help it be
Paul: Still playable.
Paul: Still very much a modern video game.
Paul: Still very playable compared to like the original PS3 version.
Paul: Uh yeah, they did a really good job there.
Paul: What comics are you reading?
Paul: I am reading uh Absolute Batman.
Paul: I think we talked about that in the show before.
Paul: Absolute Superman, Absolute Wonder Woman.
Paul: Oh, there's more there's been more of those.
Drew: How are they?
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: They're good.
Paul: So they're
Paul: Some of them are better than others.
Paul: I could not get into absolute flash.
Paul: I just could not.
Paul: It was so bad.
Paul: The writing was bad.
Paul: They're doing like absolute green arrow, which apparently is bonkers because like uh
Paul: the it's actually like a uh an undead uh green are like green arrow that's killing billionaires, you know, very very
Paul: Very good.
Drew: And remind me absolute Batman.
Drew: What was the what was the twist?
Drew: I forget.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: So in in the absolute series, it's the characters you know, but all of them have some sort of twist to them.
Paul: So they're not what you expect.
Paul: And there was something about Absolute Batman.
Paul: He is not rich.
Paul: He was grown up poor.
Drew: That's right.
Paul: You know, his father died, but his mom was still alive.
Paul: Uh all of the villains are kind of
Paul: Like some of the villains are his friends, some of the villains are like app the the Joker in this world is just absolutely fucking bonkers.
Paul: Uh yeah, Pennyworth is actually like an M16 secret agent who's been assigned to like help Batman, apparently.
Paul: Yeah, it's it's very and like and he's like
Paul: Just this absolute like beast of a human being.
Paul: Uh yeah.
Drew: So you're like for Superman, like he's
Paul: He didn't come like he was a fully like he was like a teenager when Krypton was destroyed and was sent to Earth.
Paul: So he he grew up on Krypton.
Paul: And like it's yeah, he it's it's just a little different spin on on that.
Drew: And then there was the the Martian guy, right?
Paul: Yeah, there's like absolutely yeah, which I have couldn't really get into.
Paul: I'm also rereading a lot of the some old uh uh
Paul: the the the the Batman series that started with the whole DC rebirth thing.
Paul: Uh I started reading those.
Paul: I think they started in like 2006 or something that series.
Paul: It's pretty it's the it's got like
Paul: Uh Fear State Alpha as one of the storylines and like Hush 2 is in this one as well.
Paul: Uh
Paul: Which I've never read Hush 2.
Paul: So I'm reading those.
Paul: They're pretty good.
Paul: I'm uh picking at they did a Poison Ivy series.
Paul: I'm reading some of that.
Paul: So really I just have uh
Paul: uh the DC's comic thing that I pay them a subscription and I get comics and I just like go through and I'll read things and
Paul: Yeah, it's good.
Paul: I like comic books.
Paul: Comic books are good.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: I you got me into comic books.
Drew: I just haven't really picked any up in a while.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Maybe I'll maybe I'll do the absolute Batman thing.
Paul: Yeah, it's it's not bad.
Paul: It's not bad at all.
Paul: It's it's you'll know right away if you like it or not.
Paul: It's because you'll you'll see where the differences are and and stuff.
Paul: So yeah.
Drew: I'm not I'm not invested enough in Batman to care about the differences.
Drew: I think the differences would make it more interesting to read.
Drew: I think it would keep me inter I think it would keep me interested.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: And that's I think that's kind of the point, right?
Paul: It's it's
Paul: It's just like this it's this fundamentally it's Batman, but he has just different circumstances and what that looks like.
Paul: You know, he's still really smart, he knows how to build things.
Paul: But like he's not rich, you know, he's you know uh cool.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: All right.
Paul: Uh
Drew: I got one other thing.
Paul: Okay, let's do it.
Drew: All right.
Drew: Um, so as you know, I have invested earlier, or I think it was earlier this year or late last year in my local AI setup.
Drew: Um
Drew: One of the things, if you've read any um LLM subreddits or stable diffusion subreddits or anything like that, is you can never have enough VRAM.
Drew: You just can't have enough.
Paul: Okay, yeah, yeah.
Paul: That's why NVIDIA's making so much money selling those very high-end GPUs.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Unfortunately, I just don't have the physical capacity
Drew: To slam anything else in here.
Drew: Like I could go buy a new 5090 and run dual 5090s, but that would be pushing, I think.
Drew: some real thermal limits.
Drew: You know, unless I unless I want to like fool myself into doing custom water cooling loops again, which I do not.
Drew: I do not.
Drew: I just don't think that that's a good thing.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So I've sort of been kicking around a few ideas, and I'm trying to tell myself that I shouldn't buy this.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Have you seen these?
Paul: Oh yeah, this is the same chip that is going into the new NVIDIA stuff that they're doing.
Paul: Yeah, the D the DGX Spark.
Paul: Yes, I have heard of this.
Paul: So for those of you that don't know, it's a couple years old, right, at this point, right?
Drew: At least a year, right?
Drew: It's about as old as the Blackwell architecture at this point.
Drew: But for those of you that don't know
Drew: What this is, is this is an integrated shared memory architecture, very similar to what Apple does with its Macs these days, where it's like you have a processor.
Drew: And then you have a memory bus that is shared for everything.
Drew: It's not like you have discrete GPU memory or discrete system memory.
Drew: It's just a bucket of memory and you use it for whatever you want.
Drew: Now the the platform architecture is the same thing that they have in their high-end.
Drew: uh AI processing GPUs.
Drew: So like the Blackwell series is what you'll hear it referred to as.
Drew: And these are basically just little desktop cubes.
Drew: They're headless.
Drew: So, you know, you can hook a monitor up to it, I think, but the whole idea is that you basically plug it in, you plug it in a network cable, and then you would connect to it remotely over SSH or they make like desktop software for it.
Drew: Is it run Linux under the covers?
Drew: It it is.
Drew: It is a flavor of Ubuntu.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: It is like NVIDIA's thing around Ubuntu.
Drew: Now
Drew: What it is, is it's basically designed for a couple different workloads.
Drew: So it's a really good way to have a little big, it's a little big form factor device.
Drew: It has 128 gigs of shared memory, but it's high performance memory.
Drew: So if you are the kind of person who is developing AI model locally with like your laptop that might have 32 gigs of RAM, this is a nice place to offload that workload.
Drew: You can also do it for fine-tuning of models, data science.
Drew: You can also use it for inference.
Drew: So it's very easy once you have one of these devices.
Drew: And I've watched some YouTube videos and I've read some blogs and some
Drew: and some other stuff where it's like, you know, you you get this thing up and running and then it's very easy to kind of it there is an open source aspect to it to where you can sort of break out of the core
Drew: Utilities and things that come with it, so you can run like OLAMA or VLLM, download whatever models you want, and then use it as an inference point.
Drew: So
Drew: Like right now my total horsepower in my AI server is like um what is it?
Drew: It's
Drew: uh 3090 so that's um 32 gigs of memory or i'm sorry 5090 which is 32 gigs of memory and a 3090 which is 24.
Drew: So between the two I can run two LLMs I can have like a coding LLM and then I can have whatever.
Drew: The problem is that even with 32 gigs of RAM, you really can't get big parameter models.
Drew: I think
Drew: Uh because like the the two things that secretly eat your memory is first of all the size of the model, which ideally you want to try to fit the whole model under your GPU.
Drew: The minute you have to start going back to CPU
Drew: Your tokens per second coming back for inference are just it's garbage, right?
Drew: So the whole idea is you want to try to fit this into your your high performance memory of like a GPU.
Drew: So
Drew: I think I can technically fit a 30 billion parameter model into my current hardware, and I can go up to like 60 or more if I dedicate both GPUs to the same model.
Drew: Because you can't you can split it depending on what wrapper you put in front of the model you can split them across GPUs.
Drew: But the killer here is, is that's just the model.
Drew: Your context also takes memory
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: So if I want to make sure that something I talked about, you know, twenty prompts ago is still in my context.
Drew: or I add in instructions or I add in tool calls or thinking.
Drew: That's all context.
Drew: So you you don't
Drew: You don't necessarily want to try to fit the biggest model you can into your memory.
Drew: You want to try to fit one where you could still have a decent amount of context.
Drew: So I've been what a lot of people were doing is people were buying Mac Studios when they shipped with like 256 gigs of RAM.
Drew: Or five twelve.
Drew: Or five twelve, which you can't even get anymore.
Drew: You can't get 'em.
Drew: Yep.
Drew: Um people bought into those because it was roughly the same price, if not just a little bit more than these things are going for right now.
Drew: Like
Drew: When these things first came out, they were going for like $36,000, $3,700.
Drew: They're above four grand now.
Drew: The price has gone up.
Drew: So it's like $4,400 for this dedicated device.
Drew: Now
Drew: I I mean I could go to Micro Center tomorrow.
Drew: Do they have these at Micro Center?
Drew: They do.
Drew: You can buy these at Micro Center.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: At least uh let me just let me make sure.
Drew: DGX Spark
Drew: Um, I always see them advertised.
Drew: Yeah, they have nine of them in stock.
Drew: They're they're $4,700 now.
Drew: Oof, yeah, yeah.
Drew: And by the way, you can actually if you bought two of these, you could actually team it together, right?
Drew: You could you could team it together over a high-speed bus and then you would basically be doing what I'm doing now with two GPUs.
Drew: But just for perspective, right?
Drew: So that whole device with 128 gigs of RAM is $4,700.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Now, if I wanted that much memory um to to do something with this on, if I wanted to add another discrete GPU, the biggest GPU I could buy
Drew: that would not make me deaf because it wouldn't be like a data center GPU.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Would be the um but maybe they sold out of them?
Drew: Where's the filter?
Drew: Where's my filter?
Drew: There it is.
Drew: Uh so they make the um oh shit the price has gone up on these too.
Drew: So the the NVIDIA RTX Pro 6000 Blackwell Max Q, which is a 96 gig video card, is now $12,000.
Drew: It was $9,000 two months ago.
Paul: So this is technically a cheaper way to get that much memory.
Paul: Potentially.
Drew: Now, the thing that I've been reading about is is just if you were if I was to go buy this and I was use it to inference, how fast would it be?
Drew: Right.
Drew: And there's been some people that have done some testing around like because the uh we can go down a whole rabbit hole here, but there's these things called quantitizations that basically are like different quality or um
Drew: Basic it's mostly a measure of quality around like how was it how was it quantized, how was it parametized?
Drew: There's like FP16, BF16, and then there's like Q8, Q6, whatever.
Drew: And like they're they're all different sizes, they're all varying degrees of quality.
Drew: So like what I've been able to glean is that would it be as fast as a discrete GPU?
Drew: No.
Drew: Would it be faster than a generation ago's GPU?
Drew: Probably.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So like that's kind of the trade-off here is that since this is like a shared memory platform
Drew: You know, it is the black wall architecture, so it could still be pretty quick, but it would it be as quick as a GPU?
Drew: And like that's the part I struggle with a little bit is like, is would it really be worth it to to go and get this and use it as like an inference, like open AI?
Drew: API compatible endpoint type thing.
Drew: Got it.
Drew: So that's kind of where I'm at right now.
Drew: But the the part of the reason I'm looking at it is there are a lot of really good open source models out there right now.
Drew: I don't think there's anything that quite gives Claude a run for its money, but like they're getting pretty close.
Drew: They're getting pretty good.
Drew: Like some of the like the latest Quen Ma or the latest um uh Open Llama, some of the latest um
Drew: uh Google ones that are that are open source are pretty good too.
Drew: So they're they're getting better.
Drew: So like I'm I'm like tempted.
Drew: But here's the thing.
Drew: I pay, what is it like $24.
Drew: 99 a month for my collage subscription right now?
Drew: And I use it a couple times a week.
Drew: Just because I'm busy and part of my job is
Drew: was just telling people not to hurt themselves and not actually building things.
Drew: Um so I don't use Claude every day.
Drew: I would have to have a Claude subscription for many, many, many years.
Drew: Oh, yeah, yeah.
Drew: Before this would be cost effective, right?
Drew: And that's where I struggle greatly right now.
Drew: I struggle.
Drew: I struggle mightily with that.
Drew: So long way of saying that this is on my radars, maybe like the next AI upgrade that I do.
Drew: But I can't quite get my head around it yet.
Paul: Got it.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: So well, do you want to see what I've been doing with Klon?
Drew: Yes, I do.
Drew: I do.
Drew: I would love that actually.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: So this will be the last.
Paul: So this link will not be in the show notes because this link is just for Drew.
Paul: Oh but well, okay.
Paul: Well, so the website for our show, I designed it a while ago.
Paul: It's fine.
Paul: It's it's fine.
Paul: But it is very much of a time, right?
Paul: It it it's it's kind of no longer in fashion.
Paul: And I had a laundry list of things that I wanted to change and I wanted to do
Paul: So I've been working on a redesign for the website with Claude, and I'm gonna give you a sneak peek, Drew.
Paul: It's not quite there's some things I still want to fix.
Paul: I'm gonna give you a sneak peek.
Drew: Oh hold on, hold on, hold on.
Drew: Before you do, you gave me a sneak peek not too long ago about the transcriptions.
Drew: Yeah, okay, that the the
Paul: The transcriptions are live.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: That is that is in the w that is in the website.
Paul: I don't have every episode transcribed, but new ones are out there.
Paul: You can see the transcriptions of the episode.
Paul: You can get real-time in synced kind of stuff.
Paul: So hold on, I'm gonna put a link in the doc.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: This is not a friendly link.
Paul: This is a very ugly link, but that's because it's just for you.
Paul: Okay, should I read it out loud?
Paul: Okay.
Paul: No, please don't.
Paul: I mean people can go if they if they knew it they could go there.
Paul: Oh look at this.
Paul: I like the colors.
Paul: It supports dark mode
Paul: So and light mode.
Paul: So you actually go down the bottom.
Paul: You can toggle back and forth.
Paul: It defaults to auto.
Paul: So it like it's it's it's it's that, right?
Paul: It has a dark mode.
Drew: Oh you can tell I just turned on light mode.
Drew: Ready, watch, boom, boom, boom.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: All right.
Paul: Yep
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Paul: So it's got it's got both.
Paul: Uh yeah.
Paul: It's just a little bit more cleaner.
Paul: That changed the type topography a little bit.
Drew: Oh, you have got some YouTube embedding going on here.
Paul: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Paul: That's actually in the current site too, but it's it's yeah, everything's everything's just a little
Paul: It's a little bit more modern.
Paul: Some of the like the the the baggage along the way is I've cleaned up some stuff.
Paul: I've I finally have like a jump to episode thing.
Paul: So if you know the episode number, you can just go there and not that like you can just do b basically slash episode number, but
Paul: It's something I wanted.
Paul: I've cleaned up like the some of the stuff in the social page and the about page and the listen page and
Paul: And and stuff.
Paul: It's just, you know, it's something I've been just been been noodling on with Claude, basically telling it what I wanted and letting it go.
Paul: The CSS is actually in a much better place now.
Paul: I've I've imp I've reproved some little things and how it works and on the back end.
Paul: At some point I'm gonna merge it in.
Paul: There's still a couple little minor things that I won I want to fix before I go, because I'm that kind of person, right?
Paul: I uh you know, Paul
Paul: Yeah, I'm pretty happy with it.
Paul: There's there's some transition points as it goes to like into its responsive design that like I want to fix.
Paul: Like there's a point if you if you make the window s
Paul: uh smaller there's a point where like the title of the name gets clipped off before it disappears entirely.
Paul: And I no no no no no no no it's either gotta be the full title or no no title.
Paul: Uh how many prompts did this take
Paul: Uh that's a good question.
Paul: Uh I I will tell you this because, well, typically what I do, uh one, two
Paul: A couple dozen at this point, maybe up up upwards of 30.
Paul: Uh my typical go-to is like I start in plan mode.
Paul: You know, I start with like this I'm gonna I have one focus thing that I want to do, I explain it, it says what it's gonna do, I correct it
Paul: And then I let it go, I test it, I commit that, and then I start again and go over.
Paul: So it's very I'm not I didn't like b one shot big bang this at all.
Paul: It was very slow, very deliberate.
Paul: as I was going through, but it's at least I mean honesty's probably at this point looking at the number of commits I have, it's it's gotta be like thirty commits.
Paul: Okay
Paul: Sort of this stuff, so like 30 sessions.
Paul: Though a couple of them are things that I just did without Clause.
Paul: Like I know I know how to fix this that I can go through or mostly stuff I wanted to remove.
Paul: I didn't ask Claude for that.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: So you probably got two dozen prompts in there.
Drew: Now did you have it like read our current website for the content?
Paul: Yeah, so I actually I worked it like all so I can run the whole website locally.
Drew: Right.
Paul: So yeah.
Paul: So that's but like all the content.
Drew: Like I'm sure you had it do the design, you had it do the navigation and everything, and then you just basically said, Now make it look like this.
Drew: How did I what what what was your w walk me through your process?
Paul: So first thing I did is basically like I I so like you run the if you run the website locally, you have all the episodes, it's all in there, right?
Paul: It's basically a bunch of like JSON files that it reads at runtime.
Paul: Uh
Paul: I could almost make it a static site if I could support some old links and the way I do search is is not static site compatible
Paul: But basically I started like, hey, like, just give me some ideas.
Paul: Like I know the website is very dated, and it's like, yeah, you look like a lot of 2006
Paul: podcast websites.
Paul: I'm like, huh, you definitely know my inspiration.
Paul: It was 2006 podcast websites.
Drew: You got it, buddy.
Drew: Got it in one.
Paul: And uh it came with some suggestions of like what it thought I I should do.
Paul: And uh then I just basically started like the first like honestly that first commit you can see a lot of the bones of of the
Paul: You know, if you go back in that then the Git commit history, like that first one, you can see a lot of the bones of what it was, right?
Paul: It changed the colors, it moved the sidebar over, you know.
Paul: Introduce like light and dark mode.
Paul: And then from there is mostly just me going like, okay, yep, that's a great first step, commit it.
Paul: I don't like this.
Paul: Let's add this.
Paul: Let's do that.
Paul: When a bunch of just like little things.
Paul: Like the the episode page itself is a little more organized.
Paul: You can collapse by year.
Paul: I might put some like quick links into years on there as well.
Paul: And there's just basically I had this little laundry list of things that annoyed me about the current website
Paul: And then I just got the B on my bonnet of like fuck it.
Paul: Like, let's let's go, Claude.
Paul: Let's go.
Paul: Whoop whoop.
Paul: And the weird thing is, this is the thing that amazes me.
Paul: This web I built this website for again like it's not for you, it's for me.
Paul: Uh and it's weird and I have lots of weird decisions about how I did things.
Paul: And Cloud was just like
Paul: Yeah, I got you.
Paul: I see what you're doing here.
Paul: I'm gonna keep doing it the same way.
Paul: It didn't try to rewrite anything, like some of the core functionality.
Paul: Uh it just it just like it was focused and knew what I was doing and like understood my my view layout and how all the the routes worked and like
Paul: There is there is significantly more JavaScript in this version than the first one.
Paul: But like uh uh the page it
Paul: I mean if you throw this at like one of those like internet like how fast is my page compared to others?
Paul: Like it's it's like A's all the way across.
Paul: Like it's it's
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: I think I did some things about like in it runs in a Docker container in or you know, a container image in DigitalOcean.
Paul: I did some stuff about optimizing, like it could minifies the CSS and JavaScript now as part of that Docker build image.
Paul: So that's
Paul: you know, quicker to load.
Paul: It's just a like a laundry list of things I've been thinking about.
Paul: So I'm gonna keep poking at this and at some point the website's gonna look different.
Paul: Maybe by the time this episode's up I'll have enough of it done that I feel good merging it in and shipping it out there.
Paul: So
Paul: I think it looks pretty good, man.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: If you see anything you don't like, let me know.
Drew: But yeah.
Drew: No, I think it lo I think it looks great, dude.
Drew: I love it.
Drew: I love the colors too.
Drew: Mm-hmm.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Yeah, it looks good.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: It looks very, very good.
Drew: Yeah, this is cool, man.
Drew: So how like how like this is like a couple weeks worth worth of work or uh
Paul: When did I start?
Paul: Yes, sir.
Paul: Oh, I started on the 26th of uh May.
Paul: So not that long.
Drew: Not even really, no.
Paul: Like about a week.
Paul: Yeah, it's amazing how fast.
Paul: It's amazing how fast this stuff works.
Paul: And like it's really it's it was never like a lot.
Paul: It was mostly like, you know, I was like, ooh
Paul: Uh, I need to do some housework.
Paul: Let's start by throwing a prompt into Claude first, then go do something and come back and see where it is and let it go.
Paul: Like I it wasn't like it there was a lot of unattended execution.
Paul: Uh yeah, all build with Claude.
Paul: The four primarily four point six.
Paul: I think four point eight came out while I was doing this, but I haven't bothered switching yet.
Paul: So
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Very cool.
Drew: Well whatever episode.
Drew: Maybe maybe this will launch in time for our our episode that comes out.
Drew: So keep an eye on the website, I guess.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Drew: Well, buddy, I think that's a show.
Paul: So we won't be able to record next week, so I'll be in Los Angeles.
Drew: That's right.
Drew: Okay.
Paul: But the week after that, people have get to look forward to not only my Hellmouth Con report
Paul: But we get to talk about dubdub.
Paul: Oh, right.
Paul: Are you gonna go to that too?
Paul: No.
Paul: Dubdub is on the keynote's on Monday.
Paul: It's next week.
Paul: I sometimes I've taken off to watch the keynote.
Paul: I didn't dish gear because I'm leaving to, you know, go to LA at the end of the week.
Paul: I cannot wait.
Paul: I cannot wait to hear about this.
Paul: I'm super excited.
Paul: Though the the shitty thing is, is uh uh Anthony had died today.
Paul: Who
Paul: Uh Anthony Hetty played uh so if you've seen Ted Lasso, he plays Rupert.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: He played Giles in uh Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Paul: He passed away today in the 70s.
Paul: Complications from pneumonia.
Paul: Oh, bummer.
Paul: Yeah, so that's gonna be a cloud hanging over all the Buffy fans.
Drew: Did they announce any more people since we last talked?
Paul: Uh they announced one more person.
Paul: Uh she played Kennedy in the last season.
Paul: Uh they started announcing like so like there's what you pay for the convention and then there's extras, right?
Paul: Like things you can do.
Paul: Uh the one that my daughter like my daughter went through and looked at them.
Paul: We had like, this is the one we really want to do, and here's our here's our second.
Paul: And there's like limited tick tickets.
Paul: I didn't get the first one, which was like a walking tour with a couple of the uh
Paul: uh the the actresses uh throughout the high school.
Paul: But I did get we get to have brunch with a bunch of the cast of from Buffy that's going to be there.
Paul: So that'll be something we get to do.
Paul: So yeah.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
Paul: Should be a good time.
Paul: And if not, we're in LA.
Paul: At the same time the World Cup's going on, so yay!
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Yeah
Drew: Um we should see if Arabelle wants to be on the show.
Drew: I really want to talk to her about this.
Drew: I really want to talk to her about this when it's all said and done.
Drew: So just throwing that out.
Paul: I'll see if she wants to come on.
Paul: I could I can get a two microphone side.
Paul: Yeah, exactly.
Paul: Exactly.
Paul: Also, before I wrap up, she takes her uh exam for her driver's license tomorrow.
Drew: Oh, cool.
Drew: Just in time for her to drive in LA.
Paul: Yep.
Paul: Oh good luck with that, buddy.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Yeah, thanks.
Paul: Uh I think that's a show.
Paul: That's a show.
Paul: Yeah.
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Paul: You can find all the show notes for this very episode.
Paul: And uh hey.
Paul: Thanks for listening